Ideas: The new Amiga. Yes, it's inevitable!

[B00tDisk]

There's something that people talking about OS4 on the PS3 are overlooking - and that is that Sony has completely locked you out of the hypervisor unless you give them a lot of money.  Case in point, there was a rolling homebrew demo showing off some blitter operations, well, guess what?  The hole that the coders used to do it was closed up by Sony in the following system update.  

Ain't gonna be Amiga OS on the Playstation (unless you're running UAE through Linux).

[Steril707]

I didn't talk about putting Amiga OS on the PS3 (which might be a clever idea or not, dunno), but i wanted to say that modern day custom ideas that go against the grain in computer technology still exist, and thats being shown by the PS3. Which gets bought alot.

That's why i compared the PS3 of today to the Amiga of my childhood. A computersystem that's not run-of-the-mill, and competing.

[WotTheFook]

Erm, sorry to be Captain Obvious here, but isn't the PS3 a console, not a computer, or am I just getting old?

AMIGA = Amazing Machine In a Gone Age....

Take off the rose-coloured shades and admit that there isn't ever going to be a new Amiga like it was back in the 90s, unless you are wearing ruby slippers...  :lol:

Just enjoy the hobby while it lasts, life is too short....

[Steril707]

WotTheFook wrote:
Erm, sorry to be Captain Obvious here, but isn't the PS3 a console, not a computer, or am I just getting old?

So what's a console? A car? A toaster? A house?

A console is a computer, although a specialized one.

AMIGA = Amazing Machine In a Gone Age....

Take off the rose-coloured shades and admit that there isn't ever going to be a new Amiga like it was back in the 90s, unless you are wearing ruby slippers...  :lol:

Just enjoy the hobby while it lasts, life is too short....

true...

[mdwh2]

WotTheFook wrote:
Take off the rose-coloured shades and admit that there isn't ever going to be a new Amiga like it was back in the 90s, unless you are wearing ruby slippers...  :lol:

Well I hope not - a machine of the 90s would be way out of date The problem in my opinion is that those with the rights to the Amiga have been releasing machines too much like machines of the 90s, rather than cutting forward to using modern technology, like Apple have had to do.

[cicero790]

Yes we need serious power under the hood. Then the Alien breed developers could perhaps license the cryo2 engine for the remake. ;-)

[mikrucio]

we need use einen playstation 3. it's pretty good. i think. probably.

[DavidF215]

Putting AmigaOS on PS3 is a waste of time and investment. People buy the PS3 for games not for a computing experience. What motivation is there for a PS3 owner to buy AmigaOS for it when PS3 already has excellent games?

[alexh]

Steril707 wrote:
That's why i compared the PS3 of today to the Amiga of my childhood.

Always getting poor second rate ports of Xbox 360 titles which never use any of the PS3's custom hardware?

Just like the early Amiga days getting crappy Atari ST ports. Yeah I can see your point.

Lets hope as time goes on the programmers embrace the PS3 and actually use some of it's features.

[mikrucio]

okok maybe thats not such a good idea.

but what is a good idea is an ATX comp motherboard
based on the CELL processor with PCI slots, PCI-EX card slots and RD-RAM slots. General SATA and IDE, along with onboard audio DSP.

It will take Pci-ex 16x cards from AMD/ATI or Nvidia.

Port Amiga OS 4/5 to it, and presto you have a new computing platform. Build a nice looking case to it.
and it could compete with Apple and Microshaft.

Cell Cpu's are getting cheaper and this will happen one way or another. weather it's Amiga branded or not. It WILL happen. Sony does not own the entire patent. and CELL cpu's will make their way into other platforms.

If i was mcbill i would try to license the cell CPU and focus on getting AOS onto it. rather than farting around with whatever he is doing now.

It makes sense.

[amigadave]

mikrucio wrote:
okok maybe thats not such a good idea.

but what is a good idea is an ATX comp motherboard
based on the CELL processor with PCI slots, PCI-EX card slots and RD-RAM slots. General SATA and IDE, along with onboard audio DSP.

It will take Pci-ex 16x cards from AMD/ATI or Nvidia.

Port Amiga OS 4/5 to it, and presto you have a new computing platform. Build a nice looking case to it.
and it could compete with Apple and Microshaft.

Cell Cpu's are getting cheaper and this will happen one way or another. weather it's Amiga branded or not. It WILL happen. Sony does not own the entire patent. and CELL cpu's will make their way into other platforms.

If i was mcbill i would try to license the cell CPU and focus on getting AOS onto it. rather than farting around with whatever he is doing now.

It makes sense.

What web browser and other modern OS components will AmigaOS4/5 have to compete with Mac and Windows, or Linux?

What modern programs for banking, word processing, spreadsheets, etc. that are compatible with worldwide standards (which means Microsoft Word & Excel) will AmigaOS4/5 have to compete with Mac, Windows, or Linux?

Answer:  NONE!

And I am one of the optimistic Amiga Fanatics that thinks that there will be new Amiga hardware in our future and I plan to keep supporting the effort by buying gear and software and learning more about programming so I can actually write something worthwhile for our community.

If the Amiga is ever going to compete with Windows, Mac & Linux (and that is a HUGE IF!), it will happen very slowly over the course of probably 10 to 20 years, if ever.  It would take that long for the Amiga community to catch up with OS features and meaningful software support.

I hope it happens and I will do everything I can to help, but it is so very highly unlikely, that it is easy to see why so many say it is impossible.

(now that I have committed the cardinal sin of posting before I have gone back and read the entire thread, I will shut up and go back and read) :-D

Edit: If the Amiga community wants to move forward, each and every one of us had better become programming wizards and start coding 24/7 in ways that make programmers for all other platforms look like children in grade school in comparison.  Maybe then we can inch forward on the path to catch up.

[QuikSanz]

amigadave,

Your right about more coders, I'm not sure this ole boy can get with that program, "Pun intended".

Do you think an old rookie like me can grasp the concept?
If you really think so I'll have a look.

Chris

[amigadave]

QuikSanz wrote:
amigadave,

Your right about more coders, I'm not sure this ole boy can get with that program, "Pun intended".

Do you think an old rookie like me can grasp the concept?
If you really think so I'll have a look.

Chris

I have to be almost as old or older than you, so if I can do it, anybody can!  Also, you don't have to invent the wheel all by yourself.  With just a little coding knowledge I think many of us can help with larger projects that are organized by others that are more experienced than ourselves.

Once we are shown how it is done by the experts, we gain knowledge and confidence and can write some programs ourselves, or in small groups.  Since we are so far behind other platforms, we can help a lot by porting programs from those more advanced platforms to the Amiga, or Morph OSes (or both).  Porting programs from other OSes will also teach us a lot about programming in general and is one of the ways for beginning programmers to learn a lot about how things have been done in the past.

We have to start somewhere, so start at the beginning and you only have one direction to go, and that is UP!  Old does not have to mean obsolete, just look at the age of our Amigas, they are not obsolete yet. :lol:

[QuikSanz]

@amigadave,

When I was in 7th grade i took a class at the local collage. A BIG room full of racks of stuff with tape drives and cake looking hard drives. It took till I was in the 30's that I got back to it. Now I consider myself a well, ahem, seasoned user. :-D

[trekiej]

Has anyone ever made a list of Hardware and software people?
Hardware: Dennis,Illuwatar,Yaqube

Software:?

[DavidF215]

amigadave wrote:

>What modern programs for banking, word processing, spreadsheets, etc. that are compatible with worldwide standards (which means Microsoft Word & Excel) will AmigaOS4/5 have to compete with Mac, Windows, or Linux?

>Answer: NONE!

Bingo! If Amiga Inc would pay their Indian programmers to make an updated Office Productivity package rather than flush money on .Net programs then their other investment in AmigaOS4 would pay better ROI.

Anyhow, at this point, new or updated applications should be the number one priority of the AmigaOS community. What good is a Yacht without enough money for fuel? Likewise, what's a good AmigaOS4 without good programs to fuel its demand. And why get another yacht if you still don't have fuel for the new one--what good is AmigaOS on a new platform without applications. If modern applications are available, then porting to another platform is understandable, but until then focus on application development.

>Edit: If the Amiga community wants to move forward, each and every one of us had better become programming wizards and start coding 24/7 in ways that make programmers for all other platforms look like children in grade school in comparison. Maybe then we can inch forward on the path to catch up.

Along this line I also think, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for it, but I think AROS should stop development for now and apply all their efforts in making and updating AmigaOS applications instead. I tested Aros, and honestly I wasn't impressed. IMO, AmigaForever is a better alternative, and it's commercial. Why put forth effort duplicating something (AmigaOS) that doesn't have decent applications to emulate, especially when a commercial emulator is available that's, IMO, better anyways at this point in time.

I for one have put StormC 4 on my "to buy" list so I can port some of my games over to AmigaOS. And I hope Hyperion wins the court case so I can buy AmigaOS 4 and new PPC hardware because I can't get OS4 now due to hardware restrictions.