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My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« on: August 29, 2008, 05:27:21 PM »
Hi people,

Yesterday I started playing with my IVS Grandslam hard drive which did not work for a long time. I always thought that the problem was with the hard disk inside it. However when I removed the hard disk and tried to connect it with my amiga I realised that Workbench could not see the additional 2Mb fast RAM. Therefore I suspected that the SCSI controller was not working and not the hard drive.

Today I came back from work and removed the hard disk I have in the GVP HD8+ and instead of that one I connected the hard disk I had in the Grandslam unit! ... it worked. The same workbench I used to use when I was a Kid was infront of me again.

... but I have a problem.

You can imagine that the most dear thing on that hard drive are the saved games. These where on 'hd2'. When workbench is comming up I can see 'hd1' named 'Applications' without any problem. However on desktop I can see 'hd2:????'. In the past this 'pass-time'. Does this mean that this partition is damaged and that I lost all my saved games ;-( What can I do? Do you people think I can still recover anything on this partition or maybe I can remount it or something. The workbench I have installed is 2.04!

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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 06:03:58 PM »
Hi person,

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'hd2:????


Not a sight you really want to see I'm afraid :-( But there is hope as I have recovered from a partition like this using Quarterback-Tools and chose to recover the data to a different partition. However, I believe it's a commercial program and don't think you can download it free from anywhere.
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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 06:12:54 PM »
Is this an amiga tool? I was thinking of maybe connecting this hard disk to a pc! Directory Opus does not allow me to enter in this partition; tells me to insert disk or something.
 

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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2008, 06:22:58 PM »
I've always had pretty good luck recovering fried ffs partitions with disksalv, which is an Aminet download.
http://aminet.net/package/disk/salv/DiskSalv11_32
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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2008, 06:23:24 PM »
Yes it is an Amiga tool. You won't get into that partition with Directory Opus. I've never connected Amiga hard drives to a PC myself, but it sounds very unlikely to me.

Prehaps someone could confirm this for you?
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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 06:29:12 PM »
I've heard of ppl hooking up ide/scsi drives to a win machine, though only for use with UAE. I believe Linux has nataive FFS/OFS filesystems, and can access Amiga partitions directly, but I'm not sure if theres any decent recovery/salvage programs that'll work under linux. I'm not too sure if UAE emulates the hardware access to the controller enough for disksalv to work, either, I've never tried it. (My xp machine is a laptop, and my wife gets nervous if I get within 10 feet of her computer with a screwdriver) I know its possible with "healthy" partitions w/ UAE or linux, though.
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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2008, 06:30:10 PM »
So to get this program on my amiga can I download it on my PC; insert an amiga floppy in the computer and use WinUAE to save that program on the floppy? or talking {bleep}?
 

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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2008, 06:49:13 PM »
Unfortunatly, UAE can't write to Amiga floppy disks due to limitations in PC floppy controller hardware. I think your best bet would be to download proggy off of Aminet, save it to a 720K DD floppy (Put scotch tape over the hole on the upper-left side of the floppy before formatting, thats the hole without the write protect tab, this will force windows into seeing it as a DD floppy instead of HD, and if you can format it on the Amiga it tends to be a bit more reliable), and copy it to your Amiga using Crossdos (I belive its included in AOS 2.x and up, it'll be the PC0: device in sys:storage/dosdrivers, either type mount pc0: or double click its icon, and the Amiga will be able to read 720K PC-Floppys, though unless you have the right version, the filenames will have the original dos 8.3 length) and use lha x -x pc0: ram: (or wherever you want the program) to unpack the file. Then just double click the disksalv icon, the menu should show your dh2: partition, and give you several options in a drop menu. (undelete, salvage, repair, etc...) I would recommend salvage, which will allow you to save your game files to a good partition/floppy disk, and then try a repair after that if you like. Or just try to re-format after you salvage all your important data. If you don't have crossdos, you can possibly transfer the file across a null-modem cable using a terminal program. (There's several for Amiga, windows typically has hyperterm, which supports zmodem and works will with all the Amiga term proggys I've played with, TERM 4.7 being my favorite)
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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2008, 06:52:16 PM »
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So to get this program on my amiga can I download it on my PC; insert an amiga floppy in the computer and use WinUAE to save that program on the floppy? or talking {bleep}?


That isn't total {bleep} but again someone who uses WinUAE would have to talk you through it.

EDIT - See post above :-D

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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 07:05:05 PM »
also, if you just want to stick to UAE, you need a scsi controller in the PC, and I belive there's a device driver for uae to access it directly, though it probably defaults to the pc's IDE interface. (Useful for A600/A1200/A4000 drives as those have IDE, though use the laptop size drives, though I'm not sure with the 4000 about that), but as soon as everything is configured and UAE can see the drive, disksalv might be able to salvage the info off of it. I believe there's a few threads on this forum about hooking physical amiga drives to UAE.
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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 07:28:11 PM »
Hi, I found a pc floppy which works. I put scotch (transparent one) on the whole which does not have the write protect control. I inserted in the Amiga and on workbench it shows me df0:????. How do I format it now? and is transparent scotch good?
 

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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2008, 07:49:41 PM »
after you mount pc0: (either with the icon in storage/dosdrivers or by typing mount pc0:) you need to format pc0:. df0: will still attempt to access the disk as an Amiga floppy, pc0: will access it as a PC floppy. if you get the pc0:??? icon on workbench, you can select it and choose format from the menu, otherwise you can type "format drive pc0: name You can do this on the Amiga without the tape, but when you put it into the pc, you'll need the tape on it or it'll try tto access the 720k disk as a 1.44 mb disk. Transparent tape should work fine, though I should warn you that long-term, the floppy won't be to reliable that way. (1.44mb disks don't like being formatted as 720k, though for 1 or 2 file transfers it should work fine) anyway, I gotta go to work, so hopefully the guy from the UK who's been posting in here can help you out a bit more if yyou have any more problems.
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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 08:00:28 PM »
Thanks kvasir for all your help ... have a nice day :) me soon going sleeping ;)
 

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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2008, 08:12:43 PM »
Hi,
i had a joke with a 2Gb scsi hdd too years later.
In fact, it was the motor grease that became solid !
I put in a warn place for hours, and it restarted...
you can place it in a not to warm owen, and the owen resistor must be turned off !!!
Keep the Faith !
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Re: My hard disk is still alive!! but ...
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2008, 08:31:31 PM »
My hard disk does work ... I can see different partitions without any problems. The problem is there is a partition that workbench cannot read. This is the partition where I had my games saved (which makes it very likely to get corrupted since I think I only made use of that partition).

When I insert a floppy in my Amiga I always get 'DF0:????'. I do not get 'PC0:????'. Also typing 'mount PC0' gives me an error. I have an A500+ with Workbench 2.04 installed on it. The disk I inserted seemed to work fine on the PC. However when I put scotch and inserted on the PC I could not understand how to make it format at 720k.