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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #44 from previous page: August 27, 2008, 01:53:27 AM »
I am certain that the Amiga would have devolved back into a video game console, as it was originally intended to be.
 

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2008, 02:20:02 AM »
How it would be ????


... It would be great !!! Only Amiga would make it possible !


Now for the serious part:

I believe it would be something similar to a PS3 with mouse and keyboard. Why?

-It is quite cheap.
-It is innovative and powerful
-It is a hell of a game machine also :lol:
-Doesn't this looks like A1200/A4000/CD32 way?  Same platform for the cheap computer and the games console, plus the big box brother

They might have used a different processor. A PA-Risc perhaps, but with Commodore and Apple buying PPCs from IBM maybe the history could have been different and they might have ended up everyone together with Sony going to Cell, as the volume would raise.
They tried x86 PC market, and that was a bad experience to Commodore, so I believe a x86 Amiga is something they wouldn't try before 2000-something. With a Cell, x86 might even not be a good idea.

Who knows...
 

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2008, 02:27:16 AM »
It'd be nothing but a brand name on cheap x86 notebooks and desktops running Vista.  Like Compaq, Dell, etc.
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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2008, 02:31:50 AM »
 
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Someone is "making" us


Nobody is 'making' you ... YOU see it, YOU want it, YOU buy it ...

It's called supply and demand ... the more people want, the more the companies will strive to deliver the goods.


Nope, I'm out of this  :crazy: circle. It's called free choice. There are some people who do not want to follow just their own egoism, and demand of faster, easier in any cost, just give me more please...

BUT in this whole process you mentioned...

First You SEE IT?

So, first the company advertise you new peace of {bleep} and YOU BUY IT :). (The "you" think... is not You! ;) ).

So, someone is creating new needs for people who think that thay can't leave today without GPS in their Ipod, cell phone. Kids (also bisnesssss man) have to have a "8Mpix" digital camera in the cell phone... people are like a hord of scheeps... :P... baa, baa, baa I need new Ipod ;), faster graphic card etc.

Today I can get free 22" Dell monitor, nobody is using it any more...10 year ago some would steel it... and go to prizon for this peace of plastic and glass...

They are in perfect condition! Why we dispose working hardware? To make more space on computer table? Now small experiment, how many space is behind your monitor? This what I'm working now (library) around 40 cm. Great "saving" of space... baa, baa, baa, baa (it is good English "sound").

We develop new compression formats... why we need 1T HDD? Paula after 15 years sounds like X-FI for $100. It's a "bull {bleep}"  :lol:

BTW. Why we need soooo long tables for computers? Becouse we like to strait our legs under the tables!! :Hahaha: And putting the monitor to far back makes it not visable, so "we need to" buy a 24" LCD but than we can see the corners so "we need" to go back...  :crazy:
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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2008, 02:35:42 AM »
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What would an Amiga be today?


Running an Intel Core 2 based CPU and Intel based chipset no doubt.
 

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2008, 02:39:23 AM »
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Probably it won't be much different than an A1.

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What?? Stuck back in the 90's? I doubt it. Wasn't the Amiga supposed to be ahead of the times?
 

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2008, 03:49:15 AM »
There was no winning scenario for the Amiga, it was a beautiful dream, it was so impossible that there isn't even a parallel world where Commodore or Amiga are still in existence.  

The Amiga graphics card was built onto the motherboard so it couldn't be easily upgraded and they tried to do the speciality chips themselves.  It was a closed system.  There was no development money to advance the OS.  

Amiga Inc knows this, that's why they know the "only way to win is not to play.."


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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2008, 04:15:16 AM »
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The Amiga graphics card was built onto the motherboard so it couldn't be easily upgraded and they tried to do the speciality chips themselves.  It was a closed system.  There was no development money to advance the OS.


Actually, according to Brian Bagnail's book the Hombre' GPU would have been on a separate card so they could slip them into the HP work stations- it also looks like a "Joint" venture between HP and CBM, both funding R&D for it. But really who knows anymore. I am sure that even HP has no records of the dealings they had with CBM anymore.



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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2008, 02:49:05 PM »
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I can tell that for me Amiga could be only slightly faster, so my icons would show in screen is real time ;), and I could play mp3 and DVD's using some hardware "acceleration".

Other part of Amiga "future" is in mighty hands of programmers...

70% people could use a "notepad" for writing a documents, 15% could use FinalWriter from 1995 for putting the tables and pictures and basic formatting of fonts, rest could use PageStream 3.0.

Development of computers/electronics is a crap. Now, we can talk.

:D

For me they could produce a A1200/4000 board even today, the same.

My old "CRAPPY" Amiga is taking amazing... 100W (maybe?), today mighty PC based on the most strict ecological crap is like 300W (some even 1000W) WOW. This is development!


What the {bleep} does that mean?  I`ve read it twice now and still can`t make any sense of it?

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2008, 05:59:35 PM »
This means that today people eat, buy, do what the mighty TV, newspapers, advertisement will tell them to do etc... and they are free? Children "attached" permanently to TV's with game consoles, game pads ... "killing, shooting, and destroying "monsters" in "real 3D". Parents exited in buying new 100" LCD TV and watching football game. Live "on cell phone", people who can't live without it.

The question is what kind of new value give us new computers? Can we do something better, productive today that 15 years ago, or even 1000?

Value which is improving the life truly and fully, value which make life different than in past.

What development of computers change in human nature, how it helped in personal development?

Simple questions, even my poor English is able to express this issues...

BTW. Do we really need internet connection in our fridge?  :crazy:
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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2008, 12:57:39 AM »
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What?? Stuck back in the 90's? I doubt it. Wasn't the Amiga supposed to be ahead of the times?


This is a common misconception.

From the time the Amiga was introduced as Lorraine in 1984, up until 1988, it enjoyed the enviable position of being well ahead of everything in its price class, as well as ahead of computers well above its price class.  It truly was ahead of its time.

By the time 1988 rolled around, the PC world had VGA graphics and OS/2 (a multitasking operating system).  I don't even consider the Mac a contender, as it never properly multitasked until well into the late 90's.  However, the Amiga had been around for a few years, so it had a definite price advantage.  It also had the distinct advantage of being able to work directly with standard television signals, which helped Amiga find its niche market.

By the time 1990 rolled around, PC technology was coming down in price.  Amiga was still relatively competitive with the A500, but the gap was closing fast.  Commodore's response was the A3000, which was not at all competitive with VGA.  It was basically the exact same video hardware but with the ability to address more memory.  We did get some improvements with Workbench 2.04, but only to the extent to bring it up to par; there was nothing groundbreaking.  Interestingly, we got CDTV, which showed some innovation still existed at Commodore, at least as far as marketing the Amiga was concerned; it was still, for all intents and purposes, an Amiga 500 with a CD-ROM drive.

We finally saw AGA in 1992, but as you can imagine, it was too little, too late.  By this time, VGA cards came standard even in the cheapest PC's, and were cheap upgrades for existing PC's.  New standards such as SVGA pushed the boundaries even further out of Amiga's reach, even with AGA.  OS/2 2.00 was released.  The Macintosh still couldn't multitask, but it too sported more advanced graphic capabilities.

I'd say the Amiga peaked in the late 80's from its own momentum; after that, Commodore mismanaged it to death.  Honestly, I wish Commodore had come out with a 16 bit variation of the Commodore 64/128 instead (the mythical Commodore 65), and Amiga had stayed with its original designers.
 

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2008, 01:12:21 AM »
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The question is what kind of new value give us new computers? Can we do something better, productive today that 15 years ago, or even 1000?

Value which is improving the life truly and fully, value which make life different than in past.

What development of computers change in human nature, how it helped in personal development?

Simple questions, even my poor English is able to express this issues...


Digital photography and digital video.  The importance of accurately documenting history has proved to be a valuable tool in the advancement of our society.  You know what they say; those who forget history are bound to repeat it.  Modern computers networked together have also provided us with the ability to store vast amounts of data reliably and securely.  We have surpassed the Library of Alexandria, but the information we store is now easily copied and duplicated. Each computer can become a virtual Library of Alexandria, so the information won't be lost to time.

On a personal level, I have learned a lot from web sites I've found on the internet; from how to fix a problem with my car, to how to make my own wine.  There is a modern computer inside my GPS navigator, so now I don't get lost on those family vacations, which takes a lot of stress out of the trip.  I am currently enrolled in a distance learning course, where I will obtain certification as an Electronics Technician.  This type of learning and certification most certainly will enrich my life, and is made possible by modern computers.

I hope I have sufficiently answered your question.
 

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2008, 05:11:49 PM »
A more interesting question is would any of us actually be interested in a modern Amiga?  The Amiga is part of an Elvis Presley/Marilyn Monroe world.  It died young and better than anything out there.  Or Perhaps James Dean.  At any rate, the Amiga we know and love is frozen in time, it's a solid '80s computer in what is almost the '10s..

Would any of us love an Amiga that ran on eight core Xeon chips, had a BSD base, required at least 2 GB of RAM  and used 512 Meg NVidia GForce 9500 video cards?  Isn't part of the charm of the Amiga that we use last century ideas like Megabytles of RAM, hard disks smaller than a DVD and floppy disks?
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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2008, 05:20:23 PM »
@DigitalQ

Information is not a new value. Did you hear saying: "The history is written by this who won the battles", or that "History is written by historians"?

Soon nobody will have to go out of the house, to feed it's own virtual pet, water virtual plant, nutrients will be provided by "pipes" directly to you system... ups. I started describing matrix? What the "brilliant" idea, lets make a movie about that?

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2008, 06:13:47 PM »
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A more interesting question is would any of us actually be interested in a modern Amiga?  


I do! As long as it is still an Amiga at it´s heart and not just another PC clone.

Elvis still rules! :-D

By the way... Back in 92 SVGA boards were quite slow... AGA was not that bad compared to them, but was showing (fast) it´s age. Commodore was aiming at RTG also at some point in future.
And Windows multitasking was crappy until Win98, many years ahead.

AAA was developed before AGA, so it seems that the big problem  was Commodore management, as always. There was some chance to keep it competitive if they went the right way :-(
 

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Re: What would an Amiga be today?
« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2008, 06:43:01 PM »
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Amiga Inc knows this, that's why they know the "only way to win is not to play.."


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