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Offline dammy

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2003, 07:46:18 PM »
by Red_Melons on 2003/8/14 14:24:20

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The driving force behind capitalism is not the betterment of mankind, but the concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands. In the long term that is not sustainable - who will buy the capitalist's products if nobody else has any wealth?


No, capitalism depends on generating new wealth which means the lowest denominator actually has his/her living standards raised.  What the socialist fail to understand, economics is not a zero sum gain.  Communism and it's ugly mother, socialism, have exteremly difficult time creating wealth because human nature will cause in implosion of the system.  Capitalism, tied in with strong individual liberties, raises eveyrone's standards.  That's the reason good capitalist applaud open markets for free flowing goods between nations.  Government should only be there to readjust balances when things are gone too far on one dirction that is stagnating a given market.  

If you take a look at which country of orgins the most productive/wealthest immergrants come from in the US, it's Russia and Egypt.  Pity so many native born Americans don't have that type of drive to generate more wealth.

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Offline bhoggett

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2003, 07:48:16 PM »
@Red_Melons

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Depends what you mean by 'work'.


I think he meant what he said: it wouldn't work according to the ideals.  In that sense I agree. You'd need to eradicate greed and self-interest from human nature first, and that would take more than just a change of government.

But like you said, this is off-topic here.
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Offline bhoggett

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2003, 08:02:56 PM »
@Dammy

Your eulogy to the wonders of capitalism don't have any more connection to reality than the ideals of communism do. Capitalism does not give a toss about the filtering through of wealth or the lowest denominator, as the history of Britain clearly shows. (Or did you think the poverty of the 18th and 19th centuries, with the beggars and debtors prisons were a result of feudalism? Nope, that was capitalism at its purest.)

The simple fact is that pure capitalism doesn't work, and pure communism is unachievable. The old eastern block and the USA are perfect examples of where corruption of both ideals will take you.  Neither is a perfect or even desirable society.
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Offline ne_one

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2003, 08:15:44 PM »
Sorry to interrupt the political discussion here, but who is behind Microcode Solutions?

I've been out of the loop in this dept, but didn't Jim Drew of EMPLANT fame resurface in another form?
 

Offline alx

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2003, 08:59:52 PM »
@Atheist

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MorphOS on x86???......AOS to follow?????


I'm afraid not - the OS wouldn't run on the x86 CPU.  Still interesting though...

Offline N7VQM

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2003, 09:19:51 PM »
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gnarly wrote:
Blimey. That looks strikingly similar to the elbox site.


Did you look at the prices?  They're only in the $150US to $250US.   I figured they would be around $400.
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Offline mdwh2

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2003, 01:55:08 AM »
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Red_Melons wrote:
Capitalism 'works' very well for a small proportion of the world, but it depends on the poverty and misery of the majority to do so. How many men women and children died of starvation and preventable disease today while a handful of people sit on unimaginable wealth?
How exactly has capitalism caused men, women and children to die of starvation? Just because an economical system doesn't help other nations doesn't mean it causes those problems - and communism doesn't really say anything about distributing wealth to other countries.

Agreed that capitalism doesn't distribute wealth equally as a communist society would try to, so you could cite the differences between the rich and poor in a particular country. But if you're talking about 1st versus 3rd world countries, then I don't think this is relevant.

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The driving force behind capitalism is not the betterment of mankind, but the concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands. In the long term that is not sustainable - who will buy the capitalist's products if nobody else has any wealth?
Can you give any evidence that wealth will move into fewer and fewer hands under capitalism?

You yourself give a reason as to why this would not happen - because no one would be able to buy from you.

Historically, most if not all human societies have had an unequal distribution of wealth. Granted, there may be theoretically systems which are better at distributing equally, but I don't think it's true that capitalism is worse than previous systems, nor do I see it is true that capitalism makes people rich by causing other people to go poor.
 

Offline Atheist

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2003, 02:15:03 AM »
Why do capitalist countries have anti-trust laws? I don't believe that law should exist, and if a referendum were done, I would vote the law be struck down and no similar law EVER be put in place.

Then you would quickly learn, with stealing being brought to a halt with harsh jail sentences, how long capitalism "works".
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Offline downix

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2003, 04:43:45 AM »
anti-trust laws are there to prevent an usurption of the enterprise system by allowing one group to dictate terms to the market, thereby being anti-capitalism which thrives on the concept of supply and demand.  Monopolies on their own are not illegal.  Monopolies that harm the economy *are* illegal.  A good example is the Standard Oil company, that controlled petroleum refining throughout the US.  Due to Standard Oil's stranglehold on oil refining, other markets, such as automobiles and railroads, were being choked to death.  This is not capitalism, this is not supply and demand, and it is unhealthy to let continue.

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Offline Ilwrath

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2003, 05:29:12 AM »
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Microcode Solutions is one of those companies who I never take seriously until they have product on the shelf.


Even then, I wouldn't recommend taking them seriously, until you see the product actually WORK.  iFusion, anyone?
 

Offline Ilwrath

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2003, 05:32:06 AM »
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I've been out of the loop in this dept, but didn't Jim Drew of EMPLANT fame resurface in another form?


Emplant infamy, I might say, as a former owner of one.  Microcode Solutions was Jim's newer company.  I'm not sure if he is still with them, but I'd imagine so.
 

Offline Hammer

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2003, 08:54:50 AM »
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If OS4 was released for the PPC-PCI Card, then I'd definately buy the card and OS4.

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Offline Atheist

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2003, 10:21:44 AM »
Hi downix,

The point is that capitalism, allowd to run its' course becomes a monopoly. This happened many many years ago, and in a technological age (oh, like the one we live in right at this moment) would happen in a shorter and shorter amount of time. Therefore capitalism DOESN'T actually work at all. A system that just STOPS: is hardly a system one would want to use, right?

Just like it can be argued that there was never a truely communist country, there hasen't been an actual capitalist country either. I would like there to be one, just to prove to all of you that it doesen't work AT ALL.
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Offline mdwh2

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2003, 07:30:41 PM »
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Atheist wrote:
The point is that capitalism, allowd to run its' course becomes a monopoly. This happened many many years ago, and in a technological age (oh, like the one we live in right at this moment) would happen in a shorter and shorter amount of time. Therefore capitalism DOESN'T actually work at all. A system that just STOPS: is hardly a system one would want to use, right?
Firstly, I'm not aware of conclusive evidence that capitalist societies will tend towards a monopoly without government intereference - what happens is very much a matter of debate. It happens in some cases - no one's saying that any capitalist country is perfect - but this doesn't mean that the economy will always go belly-up, and they wouldn't have under a different system.

Secondly, not everyone who advocates capitalism believes that there shouldn't be a government, or government intervention in the market (indeed, with no government, you wouldn't have laws upholding the private ownership of the means of production, which is the very definition of capitalism). Personally I believe that a government should intervene in order to make up for possibile deficiencies in a free market. If this is taken to mean that capitalism is broken, then every system is broken (in that I can conceive of a particular example of it where things would go bad).

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Just like it can be argued that there was never a truely communist country, there hasen't been an actual capitalist country either. I would like there to be one, just to prove to all of you that it doesen't work AT ALL.
Yes, exactly - I hate it when people are always allowed to say that the communist countries weren't examples of "true" communist economies, but on the other hand they can pick holes in the US and cite them as examples of capitalism going bad.

However, it seems what you have in mind to what an actual capitalist society is differs from mine. I'd rather keep the anti-trust laws as I said - but I am against the way that governments can often be seen to help make large companies stronger (particularly the messed up copyright and patent laws). That's the reasons why I don't consider the US and other western societies to be the best conceivable example of a capitalist economy.
 

Offline downix

Re: PPC Emulator for x86
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2003, 07:34:37 PM »
Is capitalism perfect?  of course not.

Neither are the alternatives.

The best course is for vigilence and regulation when required.
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