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Offline HenryCase

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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #119 from previous page: May 17, 2008, 09:08:32 PM »
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avanham wrote:
1. TjLaZer
2. AltRN8
3. CountZero
4. Hans
5. tiffers
6. Tahoe
7. AmigaDave
8. AmigaHeretic
9. madsjm
10. MrZammler
11. Firedawg
12. Marcb
13. buzz
14. OSS542
15. Andeda
16. A6000
17. Splurge
18. Trekie_J
19. CaptainMooMoo
20. Matt_H
21. Gavilan
22. Fester
23. Nyle
24. ZeBeeDee
25. Webmany
26. Joe Torre (prepay=Y)
27. LoadWB (prepay=Y)
28. twizzle
29. nOw2
30. Cass
31. Jiminy
32. Codesmith
33. pVC
34. avanham


34 potential buyers, good work people! :)
I heard about this list from AmigaDave (thanks mate!) when he posted about it on AW.net, but I didn't realise it had gotten so long. Anyway, I thought it was a good idea to let all Amiga users, not just those who use a.org, to make their voice heard about wanting the Amiga Guru Book, so I created an online petition and informed a number of Amiga websites about it. The petition link is here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?4m1ga123&1

Thanks to all of those who have already signed it. It's currently got 33 signatures, and it was only created about 8 hours ago. Pretty good going I think. If you've signed the a.org list and haven't signed the petition yet, please do so, the combined forces of the a.org list and the new petition will make a much more compelling message. It is really quick to sign the petition too.

I posted news about the petition on the following Amiga websites (in no particular order):
amiga.org, amigaworld.net, amigans.net, aros-exec.org, English Amiga Board, arosworld.org, morphzone.org.
Those are all the Amiga websites I am a member of. Can members of amigaweb.net and other Amiga forums (ones in non-English languages for example, as they might have members who could make use of the English language version of the book) please spread the word about the petition.

As for the reply Hans got from Ralph:
"As I wanted the reprint to be of the highest possible
quality, print-on-demand was out of the question. Offset,
however, requires a certain minimum number of copies"

I wasn't aware that print-on-demand offered a lower quality of book, I'll have to look into that. In any case, signing the petition will help Ralph see that he has the numbers of buyers needed for a print run.

Thanks.
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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #120 on: May 17, 2008, 09:36:51 PM »
Well, my take on Ralph's decision to not publish his works appears to resonate from the following:

1) He was disrespected by someone who released a torrent file containing a scan of his creative work The Amiga Guru Book (1993).

2) He considers the market for this new book too small to go to print because the Offset requires a minimum amount of copies to be printed.

3) Providing anything other than a printed published version of his new book would not meet his quality standards.

4) Not releasing this new book will show solidarity with others who make a living through copyrighted material.

If you agree with him or not it is his decision to do with his work as he pleases. Just another blow to the Amiga community....  
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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #121 on: May 17, 2008, 09:54:48 PM »
@Firedawg

5) Not releasing his new book tells people sitting on the fence that there really is no Amiga market.
6) Not releasing his new book takes away a resource that could have been used by people interested in writing programs for the amiga (how long have the RKMs been out of print for?), so that they go and write programs for something else instead.

Seriously, my only requirements are that it's legible, that the contents are accurate and reasonably free of typos, and that it doesn't fall apart inside of a year.  A nice to have would be that it's ringbound so it stays open next to my keyboard.  The book is going to get coffee and pizza stains, it's going to get stuff written on the margins.  It's a reference book, not a Gaugin.
 

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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #122 on: May 17, 2008, 10:18:15 PM »
Ofcourse he can do what he likes, but the only real reason I see is your point number 2 - the rest is just mumbojumbo as I see it.

I mean...
Point 1: if he knows who it is, why not sue the guy? Should be an easy win, right?

Point 3: there is really no difference between "deisgned for book" and "designed for PDF". It would be like saying "This music is designed for vinyl - not for CD". Claiming that there is much of a difference, in my view, is a kind of useless elitism, really. Oh, and I actually prefer PDFs that I can read on my tablet opposed to more dead trees filling up my shelves. PDFs are also searchable, which I like, and I can read them on whatever device _I_ like, be it my phone, tablet laptop or whatever. It works for other books, so why not this one?

Point 4: Not releasing the book doesnt show solidarity with anyone. If he want to show solidarity, he should sue the guy.

Personally I dont care one way or the other, I have the old book here somewhere (at least I used to have it) and would not buy the new one anyhow, unless ofcourse there was some online edition I could easily pay for and download. I really dont need more books, got too many already.  :-)
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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #123 on: May 17, 2008, 10:46:19 PM »
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Point 3: there is really no difference between "deisgned for book" and "designed for PDF". It would be like saying "This music is designed for vinyl - not for CD". Claiming that there is much of a difference, in my view, is a kind of useless elitism, really. Oh, and I actually prefer PDFs that I can read on my tablet opposed to more dead trees filling up my shelves. PDFs are also searchable, which I like, and I can read them on whatever device _I_ like, be it my phone, tablet laptop or whatever. It works for other books, so why not this one?


Online versions can have clickable links, source-code files of examples, etc. There is a difference, and yes, if clickable links were available, I would write differently too. Ralph seems to be the kind of person that wants to do things properly, or not at all.

I have a feeling that the real sticking point is the timing of this torrent file, days before he was going to release the book. That and the belief that this guy did so knowing that an updated release was in the works.

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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #124 on: May 17, 2008, 10:48:45 PM »
Ralph seems to enjoy keeping his work from the Amiga community.  I'd love to have a couple GURU Roms for a few systems, but he seems to be willing to let that tidbit of work go the way of the dodo.

His attitude is kinda like (even though I didn't expect to make any money, I'm going to stick it to every member of the Amiga because one guy dissed me).

Maybe someone should make up a rumor that they cracked the Guru rom code so it could be written to a standard eeprom without having to use that goofy extra circuit board.  See if he comes out the next day and says, "I was going to release a new batch of ROMS but someone pissed me off, so forget about it".

 

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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #125 on: May 17, 2008, 11:17:54 PM »
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kolla wrote:
In other news, reprints of the Complete Works of William Shakespear have been cancelled due to the online existance of the said texts.

Mr. Shakespear has been unavailable for a comment. :roll:


Errr, not quite the same, but you get a silver star for effort.

Anyway, I do respect Ralph's stance on this to a degree.  Some dipshyt knew the book was going to press and released a high-quality OCR PDF to the Internet -- a thumb of the nose towards Ralph and everyone else working on the project.  But even more, it's a giant kick in the balls to those in the community who, like me, have waited for 15 years to get their hands on this book, in English, first-hand.

Ralph, this isn't about the arsehole who did this.  This isn't about your creative work going unappreciated, nor about theft of intellectual property.  THIS is much bigger than that.  This is about your audience, your fans, your fellow Amigans who know, respect, and love your work.  Those who share your enthusiasm and love for the platform and the community.  Those who have held on because through thin and thinner because we truly believe in something here -- just like you.  WE support you, WE care, and WE are who matter.

The one jack-ass who did this does not count.  The many jack-asses who will download and use the copy of the old book do not count.  Those who want the new book, a real book, with your real heart in it, THEY count.

Yes, some of us who have wanted this book forever may be tempted, even give in to the temptation, to download this pirated copy.  But give any of them the chance and they will happily plonk down the money to buy the real deal.

Honestly, some may give up on the platform without your book.  Sound extreme?  This book reprint represented the opportunity to get a copy of the book without having to toil and tussle online to get one, or learn German.  Admittedly, I have never seen a copy of this book, but what I know about it tells me that for someone wanting to program on the Amiga and know the system more intimately, this is the Holy Grail.  And without that key, the Amiga becomes a dying philosophy with only a handful of followers and true believers.  This would be like stripping the Bible out of Christianity, or the Torah out of Judaism.

Ralph, please reconsider.  The sum of the parts is greater than the sum of the whole, and your book and knowledge represent a large part of our community.  Whoever this arsehole is, giving into whatever his intentions may have been is hurting us all.  I have emailed you in the past about your Guru Book, and you have been very cordial with me and stated your concerns and reasoning, and I respect that.  There is a great demand for you and your work.  Right now we have two lists going for people to show their support for you to complete this project.  We're not above begging for this.  In the words of Violent Femmes, "What do I have to do, to prove my love for you?" (hehehe Sorry, lost it there for a second.)

This is a horrible let-down.  Please don't let whoever was involved in the act ruin it for those who give a shyt.
 

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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #126 on: May 17, 2008, 11:31:34 PM »
Thanks Ralph, thanks for nothing!

You should change your name to Eric "screw you guys, i'm going home" Cartman ...

nuff said ... I have no more time to waste on this matter!
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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #127 on: May 17, 2008, 11:36:56 PM »
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ZeBeeDee wrote:
Thanks Ralph, thanks for nothing!

You should change your name to Eric "screw you guys, i'm going home" Cartman ...

nuff said ... I have no more time to waste on this matter!


Nice. now are Ralph the bad guy.... :/
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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #128 on: May 17, 2008, 11:45:26 PM »
1. TjLaZer
2. AltRN8
3. CountZero
4. Hans
5. tiffers
6. Tahoe
7. AmigaDave
8. AmigaHeretic
9. madsjm
10. MrZammler
11. Firedawg
12. Marcb
13. buzz
14. OSS542
15. Andeda
16. A6000
17. Splurge
18. Trekie_J
19. CaptainMooMoo
20. Matt_H
21. Gavilan
22. Fester
23. Nyle
24. ZeBeeDee
25. Webmany
26. Joe Torre (prepay=Y)
27. LoadWB (prepay=Y)
28. twizzle
29. nOw2
30. Cass
31. Jiminy
32. Codesmith
33. pVC
34. avanham
35. zurt
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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #129 on: May 17, 2008, 11:50:08 PM »
 Go ahead and put my name on the list too, but I'm not bending over for it either.

EDIT: keeping my negativity to myself (:
 

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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2008, 11:53:15 PM »
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For crying out loud, this book isn't a holy grail. There is nothing in it that you can't find else where in pieces. It doesn't even cover the whole platform. It's worth paying for but it's not worth praying for. Go ahead and put my name on the list too, but I'm not bending over for it either.


Um, you could just go with it for a minute instead of being prickish about it.
 

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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #131 on: May 18, 2008, 12:10:28 AM »
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Ralph, this isn't about the arsehole who did this.  This isn't about your creative work going unappreciated, nor about theft of intellectual property.  THIS is much bigger than that.  This is about your audience, your fans, your fellow Amigans who know, respect, and love your work.  Those who share your enthusiasm and love for the platform and the community.  Those who have held on because through thin and thinner because we truly believe in something here -- just like you.  WE support you, WE care, and WE are who matter.


Couldn't have put it better myself, other than to add that Ralph still gets a benefit out of publishing the book. If we get the necessary numbers for an offset printing run, and considering that the level of interest for this book was gauged back in 2007, which must have shown enough interest to make a print run successful, I'd say we can all get what we want here, including Ralph.

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Nice one zurt. Will you sign the petition too?
http://www.petitiononline.com/4m1ga123/petition.html
51 signatures now. Thanks to all Amiga people. Lets show Ralph how many people still want the new Amiga Guru Book.
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« Reply #132 on: May 18, 2008, 12:17:49 AM »
Despite my disdain for online petitions, I've signed.
 

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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #133 on: May 18, 2008, 12:40:11 AM »
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Despite my disdain for online petitions, I've signed.


You beauty! Nice one squire! :-D

I know signing petitions can seem like a futile gesture, but they really can make a difference, especially in cases like this when all that's really holding back the publication of the book is the perception the interest isn't there, which it clearly is. Better to take positive action as well I reckon. Keep it up Amigans!
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Re: New run of Guru Book cancelled due to pirate copy in circulation
« Reply #134 on: May 18, 2008, 03:14:51 AM »
In a time when it seems like I'm fighting collectors left and right and searching the web for documents and info for developing, this book seemed like it would be a godsend - a lot of the info in one place.

That said - I respect the mans decision, and can see where he's coming from.  I hope at some point he changes his mind.

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