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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2003, 12:19:18 AM »
@AdMartin
That was a nice 4k indeed. About 15 years ago, people needed Real 3D and a few hours to render images not even half as nice :-)
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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2003, 12:21:56 AM »
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Hmm, Mac demos you say. It would be interesting to see something from the Mac scene, I don't think I've even heard of a Mac scener, let alone met one. Are there any DivX versions of those demos available?
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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2003, 01:42:04 AM »
I was impressed by Liquid... wen? by haujobb

Liquid... wen (nearly 9Mb)

This worked even when I had a Geforce2MX !

It didn't meet the DirectX requirements or requirements such as vertex shaders for some demos though, so I got a budget Geforce FX.
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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2003, 01:57:38 AM »
If you like effects rather than "lets' fly around ANOTHER textured 3D environment" try this too:

Variform by Kewlers (8.5 Mb)

GF2 or better, 32Mb or better.
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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2003, 03:48:10 AM »
GForce TI is better than MX
 

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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2003, 05:35:35 AM »
Are there any PC demos out there that do some nice psychedelic realtime fractals?  I'm thinking along the lines of "Techno Tracks" by Trojans for AGA.

With all this CPU power available, I'd be nice to see some real math at work.  I'm completely bored with transparent vector effects, even of the cell-shaded variety.
 

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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2003, 05:37:36 AM »
If you can get ahold of an older PC, you should take a look at the stuff made by Future Crew, particularly their stuff that won the Assembly conventions.  Some absolutely amazing stuff, especially considering what it ran on.

They also created one of the best MOD-tracking programs ever developed for PC, and subsequently set the standard for which all other PC tracking programs were judged against for years.  Most of their stuff needs to be run in DOS however, and doesn't do too well with anything post Win98SE.
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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2003, 07:46:36 AM »
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carls wrote:
Relais wouldn't even run on my computer because I have a GF 4 MX 440 (so much for hardware abstraction, eh?). This is a card that without problems can run UT2003 in 640x480 and Quake 3 in 1024x768.


This is copied directly from the "Relais" readme file:

   .  why does it require a geforce 3?

        the bump mapping requires vertex shaders, and those are only
        supported in hardware on geforce 3 or later cards. also
        we use 4 pass multitexturing, n*m textures, 8 stage
        register combiners and other extensions only available on those
        cards. it does not run on a geforce 4 mx or go because nvidia
        screwed up the naming of those cards and they are
        actually just gef 2 cards when looking at the specs.


Summary:  Quake and the like don't use programmable shaders.  "Relais" does.

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Protozoa started but I couldn't stand watching it because it was too slow, it felt like maybe 5 fps or something - and this was with an effect that runs smoothly in many Amiga AGA demos.


"Protozoa's" code *is* slow, but even still, there are insane amounts of transluceny in every scene.  In fact, the whold damn thing is see-through!  This really takes a massive toll on any graphics card, especially an MX card.  Games are primarily opaque, with a bit of translucent fire or smoke or similar.

There are demos that will run decent speed on your card, but anything from 2002 or beyond will chug like a fat kid climbing stairs.

Incidently, there were a tonne of cool demos released at Assembly 2003 this past weekend.  Thanks to all sorts of nifty things like post-render effects, some even brought my Ti4200 to it's knees...
 

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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2003, 10:13:07 AM »
@orgamsatron
But that's my whole point...
If I want to impress my friends with my computer I could buy a GF FX and download one of nVidia's own demos designed particularly for that hardware.

If I want a demo group to impress me with their skills, they'll have to do better than "Your 64MB AGPx4 graphics card is too slow" ;-)
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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2003, 10:37:32 AM »
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@-D-
Hmm, Mac demos you say. It would be interesting to see something from the Mac scene, I don't think I've even heard of a Mac scener, let alone met one. Are there any DivX versions of those demos available?


@carls
 
I can't seem to find anything on DivX...but from
what I've seen so far you're not missing out
on much (although the search will continue:)).
A good number appear to be "ported" from
Win/Linux sources.
 

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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2003, 11:44:31 AM »
i have celeron 500mhz geforge3 Ti200

and its so,  ####in slow if i wanna watch demos..
(i mean new demos)  its about 7-12 fps whit
sound and 9-16 whitout.
i also have amiga bppc233+voodoo4 4500 and scsi2,
and i have seen very cool demos, running better than
my pc demos.. and i think , the my celeron is much
faster... (in theory  :crazy:  )

 

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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2003, 12:02:00 PM »
@ carls

Can you monitor CPU usage while playing back a DVD please? :-)
 

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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2003, 12:22:45 PM »
@mikeymike
I always have the task manager CPU meter in my tray and it never shows any "green" when playing back DVDs.

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...which means that it never goes above 10% CPU usage AFAIK.
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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2003, 12:33:14 PM »
@ carls

Thanks.  I was a little worried that when you said "nothing noticable" that "noticable" might be "machine grinding to a halt" :-)

Interesting.  At least now the GF4MX can go on my recommended list of budget cards.
 

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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2003, 12:37:23 PM »
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At least now the GF4MX can go on my recommended list of budget cards.


If you don't want to watch demos, that is ;-)
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Re: PC Demos
« Reply #29 from previous page: August 11, 2003, 06:45:33 PM »
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@orgamsatron
But that's my whole point...
If I want to impress my friends with my computer I could buy a GF FX and download one of nVidia's own demos designed particularly for that hardware.

If I want a demo group to impress me with their skills, they'll have to do better than "Your 64MB AGPx4 graphics card is too slow" ;-)


And like I said, stick to older demos.  Simple.  Today's newer demos need programmable shaders, which requires both the hardware and a fast CPU to run the realtime interpreter.

The other thing you might try is update drivers, turn off anisotropic (this gives a big framerate hit), turn of antialiasing, etc..

Try these for your card:
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2002/assembly02/demo/32_degrees_in_the_shade_by_yodel.zip
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2002/buenzli02/demo/orion-amour-party-release.zip
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2001/vip3/demo/x%2Brr%2Bf_couloir14.zip
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2002/assembly02/demo/clone_by_critical_mass.zip
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/demos/groups/haujobb/hjb_elef.zip
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2001/remedy01/demo/accel/flt_ettv_final.zip
http://www.idf.net/gods/demos/gds-ifut.zip
http://www.idf.net/gods/demos/gds-toys.zip
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/1999/theparty99/demo/accel/e_kasp21.zip
http://www.digital-murder.org/download/just_a_touch_of_funk_fixed.zip
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2001/theparty01/demo/medium.zip
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2000/takeover00/demo/vip2.zip

You also haven't said what your CPU might be.  Don't forget, these things are running overtop Windows, which has a HUGE overhead.  (Surely as an Amiga user you must know this...)

There's plenty of impressive stuff for your card, just search a little harder.  Just don't expect to run Raw Confessions or anything similar.