Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???

[wawrzon]

Anyone know if the 68k SDL port's sources have been published?  I might be able to use them for reference.

http://aminet.net/comm/www/netsurf-m68k-sources.lha

a bit old, but updates were not essential i think and the new versions seem to contain some bug that crashes them on aros68k, maybe not worth to reproduce.

[NovaCoder]

so novacoder can buy all the pizza, beer, meth, crack, pot,coke and asian hookers he will need to keep himself happy while coding on this project.

Well I'll drink to that!

[whabang]

I'm sorry but how does MorphOS fix the abandoned software issue?   I have Amiga hardware that runs Amiga software, not Apple hardware that emulates Amiga hardware to run SOME Amiga software. IBrowse 2.4 runs well, yeah it is out of date, but it runs on old hardware.  As a 68K program (with JavaScript.library blacklisted) it runs fast and tight on OS 4.1

At the moment there is no solution for the 'abandoned software issue'. Unless you can convince the author to keep selling keys, give them away for free, or give away the rights for IBrowse, then there isn't anything we can do about it. At least not legally

This is why we're discussing alternatives.

[chris]

Ok I've download the NetSurf sources and started to compile a few classes to see how it hangs together on OS3.

The Amiga code that I've seen so far looks nicely put together, good job Chris.   What do you use to compile it Chris, I use AmiDevCpp myself.

Thanks.  At the moment I'm cross-compiling under Cygwin using the setup on zerohero's website.  It also compiles quite happily natively under OS4.

[desiv]

.. Somebody with native English, so it wouldn't be full of spelling mistakes

Wich leads to question

OK, was that on purpose???  :laugh1:

I would support a bounty for Chris and Nova..  ;-)

desiv

[Darth_X]

I am really asking me whats going on in the brain from the programmers? There are so many people willing to buy this product without any possibility.

Similar situation with the Amiga GURU Book by Ralph Babel?

[Bamiga2002]

I'd buy IBrowse 3...
and also guru book if that was available (the new version that is)

[LoadWB]

I'm sorry but how does MorphOS fix the abandoned software issue?   I have Amiga hardware that runs Amiga software, not Apple hardware that emulates Amiga hardware to run SOME Amiga software.

*sigh*  This, again.  MorphOS is an operating system.  It runs 68k code in an emulation layer just like AROS and OS4 because the actual hardware on which the OS runs is neither a 68k CPU nor real Amiga hardware (with the exception of OS4 for Classic, to which I cannot speak with any authority on how the hardware is managed other than that the 68k is never touched.)

Emulation is completely different.  Yeah, it has an Apple logo on the hardware, but the operating system makes it not-Apple.  Just the same as all of these other boards which run OS4 and the Intel CPUs which run AROS.  Emulation would be Apple hardware running Apple operating system running an Amiga 68k emulation layer.  It's an argument of semantics since that's the exactly how the other systems work.

In any case, there are a bazillion other threads in which to have this discussion.  So, I'll add to this current topic by saying, it's very easy for those who want to run IBrowse 2.4 on whatever system to find IBrowse2key if so inclined.

[danbeaver]

Hmm...

We've all agreed that we use it, are willing to buy it, and to fully use it you need a "Key. But it is not for sale because it has been "abandoned"

So...
I wonder if, we "Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4?" Or perhaps consent to allowing unrestricted access to one of the "keys" floating on the web. If the source code was in the public domain, then issues of use and improvements would be a moot point.

This is the alternative to abandonware, not emulation.

*Ralph Babel was still active and updating his book when the previous edition was "torrent'd."  This activity affected his income (and pissed him off). Now, no book.

[LoadWB]

We've all agreed that we use it, are willing to buy it, and to fully use it you need a "Key. But it is not for sale because it has been "abandoned"

So...
I wonder if, we "Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4?" Or perhaps consent to allowing unrestricted access to one of the "keys" floating on the web. If the source code was in the public domain, then issues of use and improvements would be a moot point.

I am personally on-board with a generic key being made available for IBrowse 2.4, even if that means condoning the use of one floating around -- provided this doesn't affect sales of any Amiga dealer actively selling IBrowse 2 with legitimate keys.

At the same time, I'm more apt to support the development of a new 68k browser with reasonable performance and capability which looks like is happening now (albeit slowly as done in spare time.)  That is, I'm very happy to support novacoder's efforts, as well as those upstream, though I don't have any access to Asian hookers.

[takemehomegrandma]

MorphOS is an operating system.  It runs 68k code in an emulation layer just like AROS

Actually, there is nothing "just like AROS" about the way MorphOS runs 68k Amiga programs, and there is certainly no "emulation layer". MorphOS has a 68k to PPC JIT, but beyond that it's all native, and the Amiga programs runs happily directly on the operating system, in the same memory space as PPC compiled programs, using the same sheduler, the same resources, the same signalling system etc!

AROS on the other hand uses UAE which emulates Amiga HW, and every Amiga program runs inside its own emulated "sandbox".

A huge difference actually!

[wawrzon]

A huge difference actually!

not when it comes to aros68k, then all is native again, even more native than on mos or od4 so to say.

@chris, nova: hope something comes out of that, even though i have my doubts if this will provide better speed that the current sdl port. tell me if i may be of any assistance.

[desiv]

er...

... there is certainly no "emulation layer".

But I thought..

MorphOS has a 68k to PPC JIT,

um..

uh..

That is an emulation layer...
One that runs "just in time," but an emulation layer nontheless.

Glad we're back on topic tho...
All this off-topic talk about iBrowse and keys and cracking was getting me worried..

desiv
p.s. Yes, I myself was musing about netsurf earlier in this thread.  I realize the irony.. ;-)

[Duce]

Why is this still being debated, lol.

You people have been throwing money at the developer for years with no reply.

I took 5 minutes last night and did a web search and found a fully functional key for IBrowse 2.4.  Simple Google search.  One click download.

If it gets any funnier, I'll be back in a week or two to recommend you try Lynx again....

[danbeaver]

I did the same a week ago after questioning my decision first. Am I depriving the author of money?  No. Would I pay for a better program?  Yes. Is there such an place to send money to guarantee I will get a better product. Not yet

The next step is saying where that key is located on a .fr server in the "clefs" directory.

Folks, I don't hide behind an avatar name. My user name is my name

[kolla]

Piracy didn't kill Amiga, open source did, Or rather the developers who refused to face reality of open source, they pretty much killed this platform.