Falcon 030 vs. A1200 vs. Performa 400

[bloodline]

Crom00 wrote:

$150... that's a bit of a bargain!

 Having AGA introduced with the A3000 during 1990 would have made a difference.

If AGA had been introduced in an across the board update to the Amiga Line in 1989... The Amiga might still be with us today... The Amiga chipset was old by the time the A500 came out...

[Crom00]

Amithony wrote:
The A4000 is just the best isnt it? over Mhz any day

Trhoughout the past 15 years I've owned a A4000 030, A4000 Micronic Tower, A4000 040, and AT A4000T and Amiga 3000T.

The A3000 T design with AGA and IDE would be pretty much the perfect computer setup. I snatched up a 3000 T with a Vortex Golden Gate 486sx and. That was pretty cool. Amiga, PC and Mac all in one machine. I also used the Winstorm Sigma Designs Graphics and sound card.
Really cool stuff.


The A4000 T with a flicker fixer and Video Toaster Flyer and PPC with Cybergraphics was pretty sweet. Imagine how frustrating it was having this setup without a PPC Amiga os...

Then I finally sell the PPC card and Amiga 4000T to have the Power PC os avialable a couple of years later...

[Crom00]

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$150... that's a bit of a bargain!

I think that seems like a bragain only becuase of the high prices we pay today on Ebay for Amiga items.

[freqmax]

What was this 'MagiC' OS ..?
Btw, it wouldn't be hard to add a DSP to Minimig etc..

[shoggoth]

freqmax wrote:
What was this 'MagiC' OS ..?
Btw, it wouldn't be hard to add a DSP to Minimig etc..

MagiC OS was an alternative implementation of a multitasking TOS/GEM. While being quite efficient on a 8Mhz 68000 (iirc it was implemented mostly in assembler), it had a few flaws that made it unattractive compared to FreeMiNT (which is the opensource incarnation of MiNT, the multitasking kernel for MultiTOS). It wasn't multi-user, it had no file locking, no memory protection, no support for alternative filesystems or device drivers, and it didn't fully comply to Ataris specifications. The latter caused a divide in the community, since it made it difficult to support the different systems on the market. Personally I believe this was a deliberate choice by the MagiC developers, as it forced perople to use their OS.

[tokyoracer]

To sum up really, if Amiga put AGA in the 3000 then the A4000 would almost be totally pointless. Though the only reason to make the 4000 would be for the 5.25 bay.

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tokyoracer wrote:
To sum up really, if Amiga put AGA in the 3000 then the A4000 would almost be totally pointless. Though the only reason to make the 4000 would be for the 5.25 bay.

If you listen to the engineers, what was finally released as the A4000 was basically a cut down version of the original A3000... i.e. missing key features like the DSP etc... Dave Haynie has the original spec document on his website...

[Kronos]

A cut-down version of the A3000+, AA wasn't finished (maybe not even started) in 1990 ....

[bloodline]

Kronos wrote:
A cut-down version of the A3000+, AA wasn't finished (maybe not even started) in 1990 ....

http://www.thule.no/haynie/systems/amiga3k/docs/wishlist.txt


I'm pretty sure I read Dave taking about Pandora for the A3k... I guess it was the A3K+ he was taking about... :-/

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Yeah, Looks like it was the A3K+

http://www.thule.no/haynie/research/a3000p/docs/a3000p.pdf

But that was speced less than  year after the A3K, so I assume the Pandora work was near complete by 1990... From the spec, it was only really the LISA chip that required much work... ALICE was based directly on the 2mb Agnus, and Paula was unchanged...

[shoggoth]

Yeah, Looks like it was the A3K+
http://www.thule.no/haynie/research/a3000p/docs/a3000p.pdf

That would have been a seriously cool machine. The DSP would have access to main memory, cool. Even though the 56001 in the Falcon is fairly fast, the host communication impose a real bottleneck at times.

[persia]

What is the point of arguing what was state of the art a decade and a half ago?

[Amithony]

persia wrote:
What is the point of arguing what was state of the art a decade and a half ago?

Why not? The reason we have these discussions is because we are passionate about our hardware. Some might say, whats the point of owning an amiga when you can emulate one?

[shoggoth]

persia wrote:
What is the point of arguing what was state of the art a decade and a half ago?

Nah, sorry dude, you got it all wrong. I dunno if I phrased myself in a bad way or something. It's about comparing features, not arguing. It's the last machines of their kind, and marks the end of the most interesting part of the history of home computing (if you ask me). Personally I choose the dark side, but I'm very interested in Amigas as well.

[bloodline]

persia wrote:
What is the point of arguing what was state of the art a decade and a half ago?

The Amiga is history! It's our history! It would be nice to think how different the shape of the compuibg landscape would have been if the bean counters had let their hair down...

[Amithony]

bloodline wrote:

The Amiga is history! It's our history! It would be nice to think how different the shape of the compuibg landscape would have been if the bean counters had let their hair down...

Amen to that! If I ever made it big. My first mission will be to get Amiga hardware back into production. How much would it cost do you reckon? Good to have a dream to aspire to, whether it's achievable or not.

[shoggoth]

Amithony wrote:
Amen to that! If I ever made it big. My first mission will be to get Amiga hardware back into production. How much would it cost do you reckon? Good to have a dream to aspire to, whether it's achievable or not.

When I become a billionaire, I will fund the development of the ultimate Amiga, and the ultimate Atari. Then we could start bashing eachother again just like we used to! ;-)