Falcon 030 vs. A1200 vs. Performa 400

[motrucker]

AmigaHeretic wrote:
I'll admit that many years ago, about the time the A1200 came out and I got mine ( I think I paid around $599 US dollars) and that was around 1994. .

I bought my A1200 before that. It was the 6th 1200 The Arundel Computers got in (in Glen Burnie Maryland)
That is the A1200 I still use today!

[HopperJF]

Reading these posts makes me want to try out a Falcon, its a shame they are so rare. One that is upgraded with the latest OS would be interesting to see since I am used to Amigas and would like to see what a souped up Atari is capable of!

[shoggoth]

HopperJF wrote:
Reading these posts makes me want to try out a Falcon, its a shame they are so rare. One that is upgraded with the latest OS would be interesting to see since I am used to Amigas and would like to see what a souped up Atari is capable of!

Actually I would go for an accellerated machine in that case, since "modern" OS distros sort of expect a 50Mhz 030/040 or - better still - a 060.

[Amithony]

I like th eidea of putting a 100Mhz 060 in a falcon. Will it truly fly, or fry like kentucky?

[Amithony]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Classic-Atari-1040-ST-and-genuine-Atari-Monitor_W0QQitemZ230234003151QQihZ013QQcategoryZ1484QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Theres an atari ST for sale on ebay for $120 with monitor. (68000)

[bloodline]

Amithony wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Classic-Atari-1040-ST-and-genuine-Atari-Monitor_W0QQitemZ230234003151QQihZ013QQcategoryZ1484QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Theres an atari ST for sale on ebay for $120 with monitor. (68000)

 :-o  I still find ST's in skips...

[shoggoth]

Amithony wrote:
I like th eidea of putting a 100Mhz 060 in a falcon. Will it truly fly, or fry like kentucky?

AFAIK it's the fastest 060 machine around. Bus speed is 100Mhz due to the use of SDRAM memory. Just like on the Amiga, chipram (or ST-ram, as it's called in Atari-space) is the main bottleneck in the system.

[Amithony]

I wonder if one might be able to Jam some more chip ram in somehow with a soldering iron

[shoggoth]

Amithony wrote:
I wonder if one might be able to Jam some more chip ram in somehow with a soldering iron

Wouldn't help in this case, since it's the bandwidth that is the problem, not the actual size (well, more is always better, but it won't improve the bandwidth issur).

[Crom00]

spihunter wrote:
I have a B&W 68030 Mac running system 7.01. My god is it slow!
Its like swimming in molasses.
faster! :lol:

In Art School we used 68k black and white macs. I got so FEDUP, I went to one of those freaky electronics stores in NYC, you know the kind that sell, prcelain cats, luggage, batteries, cameras and at the time every computer brand.

I bought an Amiga 1000 for $150 and did all my Mac assignments uising Pagestream. The 1000 trounced the mac's display. I waited up to 1 minut for a simple black and white vecotr graphic to update on a b&w mac.

The Amiga connected to my TV and later (1084) and I got the Genlock that allowed me to run video on my workbench bacground eliminating alsmot all flicker.

LAter on used Emplant quite niceley. Having a MAc and AMiga in one box really was the best of both worlds.

[Amithony]

What did you think of the emplant? Did it feel at least as fast as the real mccoy?

[bloodline]

Crom00 wrote:

spihunter wrote:
I have a B&W 68030 Mac running system 7.01. My god is it slow!
Its like swimming in molasses.
faster! :lol:

I bought an Amiga 1000 for $150 and did all my Mac assignments uising Pagestream.

$150... that's a bit of a bargain!

[Crom00]

By the time I got the Emplant....

I purchased An A2000/ A2630 card ram and I used it with a Retina card, and even with all that Amiga kit i still came out cheaper than getting a real mac.

Much better with a Retina as the ESC chipset was slow, quite nice. I used it up until 1995-96 in coordination with the Macs at school. I actually used their roms and experimented with various configs.

Then I got an Amiga 4000 040 with a warp engine. That ran it much better as I had 32 megs contiguous ram. By then statetd using shapeshifter as well.

Today it really doesn't pay to tinker with such emulation. Matter of fact I'm using the Mac to Emualte the Amiga on my Laptop. Things have come full circle.

[Amithony]

The A4000 is just the best isnt it? I mean, the minimig has it's charm, but there is no real substitute for processing quality. Give me MotorolaHertz over Mhz any day

[Crom00]

$150... that's a bit of a bargain!

Even in late 1989 in NYC, the Amiga 1000 was already being touted as "outdated" by the competition. The Amiga 1000 was virtually unsellable since the A500 and A2000 eliminated the need for it.

The Advent of cheap, powerfull 386sx 25 machines with VGA, and soundblasters made Amigas less desirable to the undeducated.

Back then I would find many deals like that as a few dealers didn't know what they had. They saw the commodore logo and figured it was one of those old C-64 type machines.

It was also a hard sell when you have a 386DX alongside and A3000. The A3000 is pricier and can only fo 16 color hi-res, yet the pc did 256 colors. Granted Woekbench 2.1 TROUNCED Windows in form and funciton. But the support of commodity hardware and cheaper faster spec really diminished any value the Amiga had. Such a shame. Having AGA introduced with the A3000 during 1990 would have made a difference.

[bloodline]

Crom00 wrote:

$150... that's a bit of a bargain!

 Having AGA introduced with the A3000 during 1990 would have made a difference.

If AGA had been introduced in an across the board update to the Amiga Line in 1989... The Amiga might still be with us today... The Amiga chipset was old by the time the A500 came out...