Why is Morphos considered by many as the 'new Amiga OS' ?

[dammy]

But AROS doesn't run Amiga software...

Via EUAE it does.  Intergrating EUAE into AROS is currently underway by EvilRich.

Dammy
TeamAROS

[Piru]

You still need AmigaOS to actually run those apps, however. At least until AROS gets the kickstart rom replacement (which hasn't been assigned as far as I know?).

I have my doubts about the seamlessness of UAE integration, too. It is after all running completely different instance of a computer, so syncing it to the host can be a bit troublesome.

I think MorphOS way is better (and in a sense Amithlon provided that for x86 before already, tho Amithlon required copy of AOS, too). You can always run EUAE on MorphOS, too, if you must.

[HopperJF]

I haven't heard anyone call it the New AmigaOS, that title is for OS4 only! However it is a nice Amiga-compatible OS.

I have seen it in action and it shaping up to be a really nice modern operating system, it is just a shame that the community is effectively split, since if Hyperion and Genesi worked together to make the ULTIMATE OS then we could have something really special (well one can dream)

Edit: Goddamit, IE REALLY DOES SUCK!!!!

[Piru]

Genesi has nothing to do with MorphOS development.

Regardless, it is unlikely there ever will be any co-operation between the camps.

[bloodline]

pVC wrote:

sdyates wrote:
AROS runs on intel...

But AROS doesn't run Amiga software...

Like Linux compiled for the PPC doesn't run software compiled for Linux on the x86... I don't see a difference.

[Piru]

@bloodline

Like Linux compiled for the PPC doesn't run software compiled for Linux on the x86... I don't see a difference.

But MorphOS PPC runs the m68k amiga software (transparently, without need for UAE or amigaos files). Wasn't that the point the original poster was trying to make?

[bloodline]

Piru wrote:
@bloodline

Like Linux compiled for the PPC doesn't run software compiled for Linux on the x86... I don't see a difference.

But MorphOS PPC runs the m68k amiga software (transparently, without need for UAE or amigaos files). Wasn't that the point the original poster was trying to make?

Indeed, I expect he was. I'm just a little fed up with this comment being repeated over an over again.

I guess I'm in the fortunate position that there is simply no software I would want/need to run on the Amiga platform that wouldn't also need the hardware... i.e. games and very old apps.

[Krusher]

bloodline wrote:
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I guess I'm in the fortunate position that there is simply no software I would want/need to run on the Amiga platform that wouldn't also need the hardware... i.e. games and very old apps.

You are not into demo's/intro's then?

[bloodline]

Krusher wrote:

bloodline wrote:
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I guess I'm in the fortunate position that there is simply no software I would want/need to run on the Amiga platform that wouldn't also need the hardware... i.e. games and very old apps.

You are not into demo's/intro's then?

Yes, those are covered in my requirements. I was simply stating that MOS, AOS4 and AROS are all equally as useful/Valid as NG AmigaOS clones... since they would all require UAE in order to run the software I want to run... thus AROS is the cheapest/easiest solution for me.

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Therefore I would require the original AmigaOS for all three. The big difference is that AROS can (and is slowly) be ported to the 68k and thus the need or the original AmigaOS can be negated in time.

[Krusher]

Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.

[Piru]

IBrowse, AmiNetRadio, MakeCD, AmiTradeCenter, AmTelnet, HBMonopoly, ReSource and bunch of old commandline tools. These are some of the m68k apps I still use. For some there are decent replacements already, but I still consider the actual Amiga apps better. For some there simply are no replacement.

Being forced to run those inside emulation would seriously suck (for me at least). Even with integration, how would the menus work? How about appwindows and appicons? How about accessing the filesystems (commandline tools)? How about MakeCD accessing the cd-rw drive for burning? How about inconsistent GUI look?

[motorollin]

bloodline wrote:
I was simply stating that MOS, AOS4 and AROS are all equally as useful/Valid as NG AmigaOS clones... since they would all require UAE in order to run the software I want to run... thus AROS is the cheapest/easiest solution for me.

A very valid point. *None* of the NG Amiga or Amiga-like OSs (OS4, MorphOS and AROS) can run custom-chip classic software natively, but all of them can do it with UAE. So the argument that any one of them is not really AmigaOS because it doesn't run Amiga software is invalid. Maybe less so for MorphOS since it can run system friendly 68k code, but the point remains that none of them are fully classic compatible.

Since they all have the same solution (UAE) the only reason to use one over the other (apart from technical differences, or available hardware) is IMO one of taste. Some people are die-hard Amiga fans and will only accept something branded "Amiga" (i.e. OS4) as Amiga OS, and I can understand that after all the waiting and hoping for a new Amiga OS. Other people are not so worried about that but want to stick to a more Amiga-like hardware platform (i.e. PPC). For those users MorphOS basically is AmigaOS in every way that matters. And for those who really want to move on and take AmigaOS to the next level, AROS is the answer. I think it's great that we have a diversity of solutions which have all grown out of the classic Amiga OS, and can satisfy a variety of tastes and needs from the users.

But remember that for all of them, there is currently only one solution for full classic compatibility: UAE. And I bet when AROS gets UAE integration, it will gain a LOT more popularity.

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moto

[Krusher]

motorollin wrote:
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But remember that for all of them, there is currently only one solution for full classic compatibility: UAE. And I bet when AROS gets UAE integration, it will gain a LOT more popularity.

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moto

Wake me up when that's finished, I'd be happy to dual boot that on x86 native. As of yet, Aros is pointless to me. And I've never used MOS so I can't comment on that.

[bloodline]

Krusher wrote:
Right, well, I'll just have to wait for UAE integration. For me, Amiga is pre AmigaOS 3.9, and I love those silly demo's that go hardcore on the hardware. So for me it's a must that Aros is 100% compatible with ALL software out there.

Which AROS can be since it will use UAE as it's default legacy support. But MOS and AOS4 running on non "Amiga Classic' will also require UAE to achieve the same, though UAE won't be integrated and WILL require AmigaOS (or a 68k version of AROS :-) ).

This is very slightly off topic... the point is that all three are equally valid.

[bloodline]

Krusher wrote:

motorollin wrote:
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But remember that for all of them, there is currently only one solution for full classic compatibility: UAE. And I bet when AROS gets UAE integration, it will gain a LOT more popularity.

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moto

Wake me up when that's finished, I'd be happy to dual boot that on x86 native. As of yet, Aros is pointless to me. And I've never used MOS so I can't comment on that.

Most things are useless until they are finished... But fortunately, most people identify their requirements and then invest (time or money) into a project so that it can meet their needs.

Think of it like the Airbus A380 project... 10 years ago, airlines didn't sit around {bleep}ing that the aircraft was useless because it hadn't flown... they committed to orders with the understanding that Airbus would eventually get the thing flying...

[Piru]

@bloodline

the point is that all three are equally valid.

They are equally valid assuming you are not interested in running OS friendly apps at all.

If you are, AROS is (currently) falling behind. AROS is boldly talking about "in progress" components as if they already were finished. Integration might make it less sucky, but it remains to be seen how integrated it ends up to be. Also, the amigaos requirement isn't going away that easily (the KS replacement is quite large task, just all the compatibility testing and hacking will be total nightmare).