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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2008, 02:31:05 PM »
@motorollin

The logo was downloaded from amiga.com website, and modified by me.

I can't seem to find the original file from the web directly right now, but it seems to be inside this archive:

http://www.aminet.net/package/docs/mags/TheCrypt27

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2008, 02:32:24 PM »
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"AmigaOS 5 surfaces... sort of"


Must take one hell of a powerful mobile phone to run Space Invaders  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2008, 02:39:53 PM »
Let's hope they'll finally burn their last money on this. :roll:
 

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2008, 04:15:28 PM »
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Must take one hell of a powerful mobile phone to run Space Invaders


That's high technology that you mere mortal can't understand. :-D

You need a host OS that touches the hardware using a HAL, and over it you run an application that launches the Amiga Anywhere enviroment.

Then it launches AmigaOS 5 and abstracts the host system through another HAL. Now it is OK to run Space Invaders (simple, huh ?)

In order to have all these modern life commodities, of course you need a very powerful processor, and if Space Invaders runs slow, it means you need a faster cell phone.

How could you dare to run a complex app like this without all of these resources behind the scenes? Would you be crazy like all of those Atari 2600 users? This is why Atari died...    :-D  :-D  :-D
 

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2008, 04:45:36 PM »
"The point for AmigaOS buffs is that AmigaAnywhere 2 effectively starts up a virtual machine, boots AmigaOS and runs the code on top of that. And that makes it perfectly possible for Amiga lovers to fire it up and run the familiar Amiga GUI instead of the game. Why they'd want to is anyone's guess, and Amiga wasn't demo'ing the OS working in this mode. Can AmigaOS catch up with the user experience and the functionality of modern operating systems? Some might argue that it shouldn't try, that it should instead revel in its simplicity and very small storage requirement."

"If AmigaAnywhere 2 is using AmigaOS 5, it's presumably free of any further fall-out from the ongoing legal battle over the ownership of AmigaOS 4 and its predecessors."

What a F*#king disappointment!

Who here (besides me) thinks that A.Inc only wants AOS4.0 so they can kill it because they don't want it confusing the general public and device manufacturers, who they only want to concentrate on AA2.  Maybe I am wrong.
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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2008, 05:21:08 PM »
Now I see what Bill McFraud meant when he said Amiga OS 5 would be even better than Mac OS X. I'm going to get rid of it and replace it with Amiga OS 5 and...

What? Oh, so Amiga OS 5 actually *needs* Mac OS X to run on my Mac? And the Mac OS X version of Amiga OS 5 isn't out yet. Oh, OK. I'll bet it'll be worth the wait, though..

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2008, 06:22:16 PM »
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Agree 100%, and this is what upsets me me the most, except that this is backfiring, I would get a Mac over Windows or the very least Linux...........why the heck would I go to Microsoft Windows which is the worst OS out there?  I want the closest thing to Amiga and right now its MacOSX or Ubuntu...been done with Windows years ago.

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2008, 06:31:34 PM »
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Could someone enlighten me whats so "AmigaOS" about it, except for the name of course?

Absolutely nothing, but that was the plan of AInc from the very beginning.


Supposedly, it's a full AmigaOS running over top a host OS. It boots up AmigaOS and runs the software. It's small enough and fast enough since, it's binary not interpreted to take on JAVA as an execution environment.

Now take it to the next step as it will apparently load Workbench as well. So it's an AmigaOS Kernel that can run on virtually any OS and potentially any hardware with a small boot Kernel. So put port it to all of the different hardwares that are being made by different people in the OS community and run the new OS 4 workbench on it.

It really looks promising, if they'd get a product out the door. I'll give them until the OS 4 legal wranglings are over before I pass final judgement.
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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2008, 06:32:58 PM »
Sigh. This *might* have been cool 5 years ago, but I can't understand why anyone would develop for this platform now. There must be a huge overhead involved, and the advent of cross-platform media libraries (SDL, etc.) makes platform scalability almost redundant.

With  Java possibly falling out of favor, the market window for a product like this is long gone.
 

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2008, 06:40:22 PM »
I saw this coming from afar!  :lol:
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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2008, 06:43:56 PM »
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Sigh. This *might* have been cool 5 years ago, but I can't understand why anyone would develop for this platform now. There must be a huge overhead involved, and the advent of cross-platform media libraries (SDL, etc.) makes platform scalability almost redundant.



Huge overhead? AmigaOS? The original ran in 256K or RAM right? With a 7Mhz 68000. I think the overhead is actually minimal and you end up with a binary environment versus an interpreted one. I know we all love our Classic Amigas but this is something new and I've waited this long.

I think I'll give it until the OS 4 wranglings are completed before I throw in the towel.
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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2008, 07:29:53 PM »
:roflmao: @ Moto
 

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2008, 09:11:17 PM »
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I really have a problem with the press release saying Amiga Inc. was founded in 1983.. It's not even the same organization and for the record in 1983 it was Amiga Corporation (not Incorporated I seem to remember)



I also seem to remember that the original company was founded (as Hi-Toro) in 1982, which, if true, would indicate that they are even getting their lies wrong.

Does anyone know the true date?
 

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2008, 09:18:40 PM »
@ Nlandas

Apples and ornages. I will be shocked and amazed if there is a single line of code from the original AmigaOS in this new thing. From my understanding, the efficiency that allowed for such low system requirements is almost certainly gone, thanks to the nature of a virtual machine. The host device isn't just running "Amiga" code, it's running a virtual environment which in turn is running the Amiga code - the bulk of processing is on running the virtual machine, not their Space Invaders clone.

In other virtual machine examples, even the most basic Java apps crawl in comparison to C equivalents. Monkey Island is barely playable on ScummVM on my 68060/50 when it used to run fine natively on a plain 68000/7.

In a similar vein, performance of MOL is greatly reduced because it can't access hardware resources directly and has to use an emulation layer. I'd imagine there's also a performance hit with AROS Hosted vs. AROS native (the AROS guys can correct me on this), and with Windows running through Parallels vs. Windows running natively. Even old DOS apps running through Windows 95 are slower.

Bottom line is that Amiga, Inc.'s virtual machine is going to be a bottleneck. It's hardware, running an OS, running an application, running an "OS", running an application. Compare that to regular computer hardware running an OS, running an application. It's Amiga in title alone, completely ignoring the design philosophies that made the Amiga fun, efficient, and accessible to developers. And from a user perspective, for someone who just wants to use "an Amiga", it means installing and configuring another OS first.

This announcement has pushed me closer to building a box for AROS than ever before.
 

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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2008, 09:22:01 PM »
@Motorollin
Yeah i can see how it is better than OSX,honestly i am not going to write the reply which i want to because if i did i would probably be banned from amiga.org as it would contain a lot of violence and foul language..

I really cant wait to laugh so hard when this turd joke of a company eventually dies..
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Re: Is THIS AmigaOS 5
« Reply #44 from previous page: January 07, 2008, 09:25:19 PM »
Sorry moto,

couldn't help but steal the avatar idea - it just is too cool. :D And the Nyx dream is over... :cry: