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Offline Gaidheal

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #14 from previous page: July 21, 2003, 07:27:30 PM »
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In some countries you can marry your sister, what do I care? In some countries female circumcision is the norm, is it right?


Well, you are the one who claimed you were merely interested in the lgality and not arguing the morality.  Incidentally, No.  (Female circumcision is a nonsense, but I know the practice you actually mean and know, it is not the norm, but does happen in some locations)

As for Amiga Inc fanboys... they have what to do with this?  I think I see your angle now, it's a half arsed attempt at partisanship.  Should have guessed, I suppose.
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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2003, 07:28:38 PM »
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What the hell is that supposed to mean?


Most people call it humour, Xeron.  Most people can tell, as well :¬)
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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2003, 07:34:16 PM »
Marktime, I hate to break this to you.. but..

It is not piracy to use the OS on any machine you like, complete with hacks if needed to make it work.  It MAY break the EULA depending on location, though.  However, it definitely does not here, since clauses which try and prevent "fair use" (i.e. I bought one copy, I use one copy, on any machine I can make it work on) are not enforcable.  But better than that, because of your little favourite at the end, the disclaimer, they never even formed part of the agreed to EULA, because they were removed from it, by the licencor, by that disclaimer, if they were unenforcable, illegal or otherwise could not be made legal in the location where you bought the licence.

As for not being bright... not too bright to manage to miss these points, despite them being made to you by several people, in two threads.
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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2003, 07:57:40 PM »
Ufff!
Same thread, but different name!

Tell him Gaidheal! Tell him! :-D
 

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2003, 08:23:16 PM »
One must not forget that everything that can be stuffed into an EULA regardless of its enforceable legality is often put into it simply to have it there for people to have conversations like this, and to attempt to get a few more peope to do things exactly as the company would prefer, an EULA is often simply packed with crap to be used as a deterrant.

To violate an EULA is not necessarily to break the law, it depends upon the laws in your country, and whether or not the EULA actually reflected something those laws enforce, also in some places, some EULAs would be considered essentially illegal except for the fact that the end user has agreed to them.

However, when you purchase a piece of software, at least in America, you have actually purchased the right to use it on ONE machine.  A backup is considered acceptable, but a backup would not be installed on another machine(as this would be using it on 2 machines), it would have to be kept on some form of media, of course, these days even making a backup copy in some cases is illegal here.

The legality of purchasing an OS, and using it on a computer for which the EULA does not specify as 'acceptable hardware', is probably going to vary widely from country to country as to whether or not it is a legal or enforceable thing, I am not a copyright lawyer and could not tell you as such.

 However, these days in America at least, modifying an OS so that it can be run on another machine could be interpreted as a violation of the DMCA which has some pretty rough associated punishments due to our retarded government that cares nothing for its people.

I would assume in America if the OS will install on its own onto the given hardware, that there's probably nothing the comapny can do about it, but if it has to be modified there will definitely be some trouble.
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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2003, 08:47:46 PM »
Like buying a car which you must only drive on one particular roadstretch.. Who'd do that?
 

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2003, 09:17:33 PM »
@Gadhail,

Your constant repition does nothing to make your point.  You accepted a license that stated you would use the software on apple branded hardware, and then you broke your word.

You are a liar.  A dishonest person.

If you think its legal, you are wrong, but beyond the fact that its illegal, it goes to integrity.

Your word is worthless.  You don't hold your contracts.  there is no moral compass within you, that guides your actions beyond what you believe you can get away with...if you don't get caught, you'll do it.

Anyone doing business with you, does so at their own risk.
 

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2003, 09:43:01 PM »
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Your constant repition does nothing to make your point. You accepted a license that stated you would use the software on apple branded hardware, and then you broke your word.


Nope.  Firstly, my repetition is of refutations to you.  If you don't like the repetition, stop repeating nonsense.  Second, I accepted no such thing, having never owned an Apple and thus never broke any word.  Much less the EULA which would never have bound me that anyway, in the UK.

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You are a liar. A dishonest person.


Nope, and you saying it won't make it come true

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If you think its legal, you are wrong, but beyond the fact that its illegal, it goes to integrity.


As above, no.  You saying it will not make it true.

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Your word is worthless. You don't hold your contracts. there is no moral compass within you, that guides your actions beyond what you believe you can get away with...if you don't get caught, you'll do it.


Yet more nonsense, especially as you have no way of knowing even the barest details about my morality or even my personal life :¬)

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Anyone doing business with you, does so at their own risk.


Anyone doing business with anyone, does so at their own risk.. even to you that must be obvious.  The phrase is "caveat emptor" - "Buyer beware".  Incidentally, a name for people who abide solely by this is "Yankee traders" - telling, no?
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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2003, 09:55:47 PM »
@Marktime

I am sure that it's a matter of interpretation. People have other opinions than yours based on their interpretation of the subject.

Licensing laws are complicated and I am sure some parts would not "stick" when challenged in court.

Now calling someone untrustworthy and a liar just for putting forward his side of the argument seems like a personal attack.

Just my 2 pence worth
 

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2003, 10:08:39 PM »
@GadgetMaster:

Ach!  Bored with him now anyway :¬)  He either really does know nothing, or else he is just a troll.  I suspect both actually, especially as he admits his intention was to try and start a flame war with "AmigaOS fanboys" over whether or not they use OS X.  

So, actually going really ON topic.. does anyone like OS X and use it daily?  I have seen it and briefly used it, was not TOO impressed, but possibly only because the interface was different to what I am used to.  Thoughts?
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