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Offline carlsTopic starter

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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #29 from previous page: July 05, 2003, 03:05:12 AM »
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That's just another reason I've just learned not to run RedHat... "It's now unsupported" - how very Microsoft of them :-) I have no interest in trying RedHat 9 on a P166 with 96 megs of RAM. Plus, now I've installed Slackware and I actually feel quite at home with it. It reminds me somewhat of AmigaOS, don't ask me why...
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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2003, 03:16:37 AM »
So are you still  "@£¤%£$# angry" ? :-D
 

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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2003, 03:43:45 AM »
My opinions:

QNX is great, but RAM-hungry.  Sure, you shouldn't need to swap, but it happens... (What're the chances of *sshd* being killed in an OOM situation?)

FreeBSD starts to feel a bit cramped in 2.5GB, if you're making a proper effort to keep /usr/src around (and conducting source upgrades, etc).  That said, the recent 4.x-branch releases are quite usable (tracking the current release of your major branch is a good idea in FreeBSD-land); 5.x will show some major benefits for SMP, but all that advancement does start to make it look a bit big/complex for a set-and-forget uniprocessor box.

NetBSD and OpenBSD are 'lithe' in comparison; I'd call OpenBSD for situations where the machine will be its own firewall, and NetBSD for other "experimental" tinkering.

I know little about the state of the major Linux distributions, but it's becoming clear that RedHat should be "tracked" like FreeBSD; the *point* of new releases is in fixing the bugs of the old ones, and the EOLing tells you you *won't* be getting security advisories/patches - if their current offerings are too bloated, it's time to upgrade your hardware (as Windows users must), or switch to another *NIXalike distribution (Slack, *BSD, Debian...) with a different engineering philosophy.  No use crying over spilled milk, though you're welcome to cry over the quality of distributions still making allowance for lighter systems. ;)

Mac OS X is much the same way; 10.1, .2, and .3 are closer to 'snapshot' releases even than the Windows-of-the-year model.  This release model isn't so bad -- upgrading, say, FreeBSD from 4.7 to 4.8 has results little different from applying a FixPak to OS/2 or a Service Pack to Windows -- but the difference is that FreeBSD (and RHAT?) let users move up for free, while Apple's shrinkwrap philosophy amounts to a $100/year subscription fee.  (Ask me how satisfied I am with SBBOD bugs in 10.1 -- and 10.3 coming soon enough that it's better to leave my cousin without a laptop than have him cough up for soon-obsolete Jaguar.)
 

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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2003, 10:31:19 AM »
linux,pc,mac etc....sad story....

anyway i never thought freebsd was easy....not for me anyway...

use your amiga kill that pc...i guess u have a toilet u can use :=)
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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2003, 11:28:42 AM »
you can always use the src.rpm's from newer redhat releases and compile them on your old rh box.

it should work, it is ofcourse much more trouble then just installing an rpm with '-ivh'  :-P

in fact this is how the admins of those old systems keep them up to date after a new security hole has been discovered  :-D
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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2003, 02:08:41 PM »
@carls

As you mentioned Knoppix (dunno which build) why didn't you install that instead. Knoppix is built from Debian source, with enough user friendliness to make it useable.

As you've already said you're no linux newbie, you should find everything you need with the Knoppix install, including the web server and SSH. If not, then it's only a matter of downloading the appropriate DEBIAN packages and installing. (aptitude anyone?)
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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2003, 03:10:23 PM »
@DarthX
No, now I'm @£¤%£$# happy  :-D
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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2003, 03:12:59 PM »
@Desmon
IMHO, Knoppix is great for desktop use but it's pretty unmotivated for server-use, especially since the hard drive install script installs EVERYTHING (X11, KDE, Mozilla etc.)

I have no interest in making an install that forces me to clean up unused stuff by hand...
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Re: I'm so @£¤%£$# angry
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2003, 12:13:58 AM »
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Seems clear to mea that this is an AROS situation... oh? off topic?

nah... just port TCP/IP and apachie to AROS and it's perfect :-D


I agree, this is probably the best niche for AROS at this point, IMO. I have servers, but they all run NetBSD, which is a horrible OS (read: UNIX-based). I'd really like to run a civilised server, but I'm afraid of getting lost inside VMS, whereas I know AmigaDOS inside and out, so a version of AmigaOS for server use, which can be deployed on hardware which won't run AmigaOS as it is, would definitely gain my patronage.
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