Workbench Install...What did I miss?

[Piru]

That has nothing to do with Workbench. Whether HDDs are visible or not depends on the Kickstart ROM and/or driver software.

[rkauer]

 Why did you not try this link?

 It's from back2roots , and explain quickly how to set WinUAE.

 More (and complete) information/configuration you can read/have from several other pages around the 'net. I INTENCIONALLY don't give the other links, but look at:

 Lemon Amiga
 WinUAE homepage
 Aminet (sic!):roll:
 Eager Back to Roots
 Ralph Babel (real Amiga only, not emulators)
 Many others to recall all of them

[Mallette]

Looked at the links, read what I could.  Nothing telling me anything useful so far...

Came home and tried loading all the WinUAE images to the 4 available floppies for install.  

Of course, it insisted on booting uselessly to a blank workbench screen.

So, I thought maybe I could just get the basics from three, so I loaded install, main, and local...even though I had no way of knowing that those corresponded to since that is not what install asks for.

Install worked, but the second disk asked for was "Extras"  None of them labled extras, so another "abort."  I'd hoped maybe at least kickstart would be there, but I assume abort dumps everything so far so it did not boot.

Then I thought I'd just install 2.04 on the Amiga from my old set.

No install disk.

Sheesh, can't seem to get a break.

There MUST be a what to change disks from within WinUAE.  All I can find is the "WinUAE Control" which offers no way to navigate to a disk.

Of course, even then you've got to figure out which of the image names in the WinUAE OS3 directory corresponds...but that is another problem.

Enough for tonight...maybe I'll get some input or inspiration before tomorrow.

Dave

[Ami_GFX]

You're getting close. The Install disk adf file must be in DF0: The rest can be in any virtual floppy drive. F12 brings up the Winuae control menu which should let you swap floppies. You should also check other settings in Winuae and make sure that it has the proper kickstart rom image and enough memory etc.

If you have adf images of the Amiga software, you can copy them to your Amiga and write them to Amiga floppies. Winuae comes with a command line utility called transdisk to do this but there are more user friendly programs to do this as well. I use transdisk so I can't give you any specific recommendations about the alternatives. You need a working system to do this. This is where owning more than 1 Amiga comes in handy. If your Amiga has a CD rom, you can burn a CD with the ADF images and use transdisk to write them from the CD to Amiga floppies.

In any case, don't give up, it looks like you are getting closer to your goal.

[rkauer]

In WinUAE control menu, section diskdrives (or floppy drives, don't remember) you can put UP TO EIGHT IMAGES! At right of each little window there a button with (...), press that button and u can choose wath disk u want to put there. Put the 1st image disk on df0: (1st IS install, 2nd is Workbench, 3rd is Locale, 4 is Extras, 5 & 6 I don't remeber quite now).

[countzero]

workbench 2.04 comes in 4 floppies. there are no 5 & 6. (2.1 comes in 5 floppies, 5th is fonts)

Also I never heard (and never saw) 8 floppy drives at winuae. If you're talking about the disk swapper function, that's another thing.

[Thomas]

WB 2.0 consists of three disks:

- Workbench
- Extras
- Fonts

Only if the Amiga came with a HDD, there was also

- Install

WB 2.1 added

- Locale

WB 3.0 added

- Storage

Certainly the Amiga can handle only up to four floppy drives and thus WinUAE too has only four emulated floppy drives. If you have more than four disks, you have to swap during installation by one or the other means.

Bye,
Thomas

[rkauer]

 Sorry, kiddos.

 My mistake on how winUAE can handle "floppies": you can put up to 4 "disks" at the same time, but you have "kickswap" function for each one (if in windowed mode, right-click on the icon in Windoz system tray).

 I was referring to the 3.0/.1 set of disks when I said 6 disks. I KNOW 2.0 have 4 and 2.1 have 4/5 disks.

[Mallette]

Slogging through this picking up tidbits as I go.  The F12 from within WinUAE after boot appears to be a MAJOR progress.  All those issues I had with trying to keep mounted drives from booting are easily dealt with by mounting after the fact.  I also figured out the floppy swapping using the same procedure after boot.  However, I think the drive I was using (an old IDE for practice) has gone south as it refuses to mount after the fact, causes a guru (trying to boot) if inserted before the fact, and cannot be allocated or anything by Windoze even though it shows.  

Still at a loss for what the WinUAE Control thingy is for.  You can push eject, and it ejects...but you can't reinsert anything as all you get is a blank line when you hit insert.  At least the F12 method works...

I'll try another drive later today and see if I can get something going.

Dave

[Mallette]

Quick trip to frustration tonight, quiting early.  It wasn't the drive.  My other IDE drive wouldn't show either suddenly, whether mounted before or after the fact, or WinUAE insists on booting to nowhere from them.  Mounting floppies no better, they would not show unless I started DOpus, then still wouldn't open from icons.  Close DOpus, they disappear.  I certainly don't recall this on a real Amiga.  

I won't quit, but this is really frustrating.  Neither of my Amiga formatted drives would show tonight under the same conditions under which they were fine yesterday.  

Dang strange.  

Dave

[rkauer]

These are "random features"(=bugs) of winUAE. :roll:

[Mallette]

So, in short, here is where I am:

1. If I mount the target amiga formatted IDE drive before startup, it insists on booting.  Since none of the other drives show up in WinUAE config, I cannot change the boot priority.  BTW, this is "new."  Drives, Windows and Amiga HDF's, used to show on the pre-start WinUAE configurator.  Now they do not on two differenct PC's.  Spooky...

2. If I use F12 to add a hard drive within the emulator, it shows in the configurator but does not show up afer "OK."

3. rkauer, thanks for confirming all is not well with some of these functions.  Makes me feel slightly less insane.  (Floppy changes done from within WinUAE show only in DOpus and disappear if you close DOpus).  

4. Starting WinUAE from the dos command line gives me a kickstart screen if the Amiga drive is attached even though not configured.  And, as mentioned in "2." above will not show after booting.

Blocked on every front.  I shall not quit!  There HAS to be a way out.

PS - OK, WinUAE REALLY is weird.  Situation still as above, but when I clicked the "Make HD Image" button on the non-showing Amiga formatted drive...it started makeing one!  Don't know what I will do with it if it completes (still in progress), but it is at least a new blind alley to explore.

PPS - Completed, mounted, and doesn't show...  What a SHOCK!


Regards,
Dave