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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2003, 12:20:26 PM »
@The "my system/vendor is better than yours" mob...

Have you lot ever looked at your posts after the point where your urge for a bit of one-upmanship has passed? Y'all look like a bunch of delinquent teenage lads arguing over willy sizes.

Every bloody thread connected to amiga ppc hardware / software ultimately gets polluted by your childish need to have a go at your opposite camp.

Why not give it a rest for a day? Or a month. There is so much more to life than Pegasos / AmigaOne, you know.
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2003, 12:23:11 PM »
@ kubyx

Differences between a) Pegasos, and b) A1:

a) Pegasos is a small micro-ATX motherboard. This means more room for
your creativity when it comes to building a system.

b) The A1 is of the bigger ATX form factor.


a/b) The Pegasos has everything that the A1 have, PLUS an optical
connector for digital audio, and Firewire. The A1 has four PCI
slots (or rather 3+1), but the way that the Articia implements AGP
means that if you use a normal PCI card in this fourth slot, then the
AGP card will deccelerate to 1x speed. The Pegasos did never
include this "fourth" PCI slot (which propably helped reducing the
size of the motherboard).


a/b) The Pegasos is more reasonable priced than the A1.


a) The Pegasos I is no longer manufactured, but there are some in
stock at dealers. If you decide to buy one today, there is a good
chance that you can start playing with it in a day or two (depending
how far you live from the dealer), and in an *Amiga envireonment*, not
only Linux.

b) Eyetech is not exactly flooding the market with A1 motherboards.
A lot of people who ordered their board a year or more ago has still
not recieved it. There are many reasons for this (but *nothing*
Articia related); lack of CPUs, lack of CPU coolers, extensive
testing, etc.


a) On the Pegasos you run MorphOS (an Amiga-like OS) and Linux today.
Many more OSes in the future, but propably *not* OS4 unless Hyperion
or some third party get a license from Amiga Inc.

b) On the A1 you run Linux today. OS4 will be ported to it some time
in the future, but it is going to be released for classic Amigas with
PPC cards first (sometime during the fall?). A completely unqualified
*guess* is that OS4 for the A1 wont be released to end-users on this
side of new years eve.


a) The Pegasos G4 cards (not available until next month) comes with a
7447 CPU of either 1.0GHz, 1.2GHz or 1.3GHz (which one is not
publically known yet). It has been said that there will be no CPU fan
(=equally silent as the G3 version :-)!).

b) The A1 G4 comes with a 7451 CPU @ 800MHz. Uses CPU fan. One of the
reasons for the delays of the A1 has been that Eyetech needed to find
an even stronger cooling solution for their choice of G4.


a) The upcoming Pegasos II (to which Pegasos I users can upgrade) uses
the Marvell Discovery II NorthBridge.

b) The A1 uses the Articia S NorthBridge.


Thats the main differences that pops up in my mind. But perhaps you
should also look at the companies behind the two solutions to
determine which one of them that has a greater chance of success. It
takes more than just hardware and software to make it.  Which one has
a future, and why? This is off topic in this thread, but I have
written a lot on this issue here on amiga.org and on ann.lu. Search
back in time a bit!
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2003, 12:39:42 PM »
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i dont personally like pegasos.. becouse
it is not AMIGA!!! and probaply never come to be.
Not to be rude, but who cares? By your same logic, the AmigaOne isn't an Amiga either. It's just someone else's product with the Amiga name slapped on it. Hell, the people who designed it probably never even used an Amiga before.

I don't know about most people, but my love for the Amiga was never only because of the name it had.

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its good if there is some amiga clones, but if they doesnt run same sofware , what the point???
Well, it runs most of the software I was using on my A4000 (probably about the same compatibility wise as OS4.) As for the new stuff, who cares? Most titles will be available for both machines.
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2003, 01:13:54 PM »
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then we have the pegasos deal and its emu, sure it does work but the speed? , if thats running faster than a 060 then u need to wake up! , before it can run faster than a 060 u will need something to run on it..right+++??
You mean things like IBrowse, AmIRC, ImageFX or AmigaWriter? Except for ImageFX (which seems to do operations at just about the same speed as both of my 060 Amigas) every application I use runs faster. And this is without the jit emulation.

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and i am not talking about benchmarks etc as they mean nothing when it comes to the software catalogue, its like this.. on my amiga and my friends pc...SYSINFO works , but this doesnt mean i can run any 060 or old software on my setup anyway...now does it?
I'll be back in a bit.. I'm sure there was a point you were trying to make, but it seems to have gotten lost. I'm out looking for it.

The software does run. Now.

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sorry for flame but saying that brian was wrong and spreading fud aint a good deal unless u check it for real, anyway did u measure it in mips or mflops? (that it was faster than a 060 in the emu)
Seeing how I use one everyday, I don't need a benchmark to know when one of the applications I use runs faster on one machine or another.

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anyway i want uae on my amiga (OFCOURE) or an jit emu so that i could run all my x stuff on the new amiga/pegasos but 1 thing is for sure i have tested it and i live not very far away from a pegasos user and i have alot of pc users around me , and the emu's atm is just not interesting atm.
If you aren't impressed with the emulation currently offered, you most likely won't be impressed at all. And yes, this includes the AmigaOne's emulation as well.
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2003, 02:27:19 PM »
>I was told by one of the Peg demo crew that a
>PegG3/600 could only run 68K apps at about half
>the speed of a 060/50 with the JIT they had.

I guess you misunderstood them. The MorphOS JIT
is already faster than a 060-50MHz on a BlizzPPC
160MHz.

I guess what they said was that the MorphOS JIT
reaches 50-75% of native PPC speed for the 68k
emulation.

See also page 5 of the MorphOS Feature List.
 

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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2003, 02:39:50 PM »
I must agree with severall people here that this is the X-th pointless thread about this topic.

The question asking if OS4 will make it onto the Pegasos is rediculous because it has been answered so many times before, you should know it by now.
It indeed seems that there are too many people here with way too much freetime.

Isn't it about time we all gave it a rest.
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2003, 02:41:23 PM »
@ Karlos

Maybe Amiga.org ought to have a flame-fest set of templates where users can just fill in the blanks.  It would save disk space as well on the server :-)

I'd probably can the thread if it got any more pointless than it already is, but then I'd have to can at least 10 new threads a day :-)
 

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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2003, 03:40:11 PM »
@mikeymike

I can imagine. OT Glad to see that I managed to stay logged here in whilst reinstalling Windoze :-)
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2003, 04:05:51 PM »
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2003, 04:22:53 PM »
Actually, the only post worth mentioning is the one from 'takemehomegrandma'. Now there's an objective comparison. Kudos! At least now I know the differences between an A1 and a Pegasos---not that I have any intention whatsoever of buying one, but still. Can't a moderator HTMLify it and put it on this site somewhere with a big pointer to it? Something like 'So You Think Your A1 Is Better Than My Pegasos, lUs3R!!?'
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2003, 04:43:35 PM »
pardon my bad English, I come from Greece
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You too? :-)

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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2003, 04:46:20 PM »
then we have the pegasos deal and its emu, sure it does work but the speed? , if thats running faster than a 060 then u need to wake up! , before it can run faster than a 060 u will need something to run on it..right+++?? and i am not talking about benchmarks etc as they mean nothing when it comes to the software catalogue, its like this.. on my amiga and my friends pc...SYSINFO works , but this doesnt mean i can run any 060 or old software on my setup anyway...now does it?.
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2003, 04:54:26 PM »
2. if your hw gets faulty and u sent it to genesi for repairs and nothing happend. 3. if you get wrongfully information trough dubious generals in dubious companies with dubious intentions.
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Argh... Not again... DO NOT BLAME GENESI FOR DCE'S
PROBLEMS! GENESI != DCE
Pegasos != a DCE product.
Everyone I know, have had brilliant hardware support
from Genesi. The old boards were exchanged on site
with the April2 ones. A person had a problem that
looked like an HW one. BBRV asked him if he
wants to get a new board, but it wasn't an HW prob
at all, it was a TCP/IP configuration one.

BTW, if you have a problem with DCE, any products
there etc, mail bbrv, they WILL help you, probbing
Dellert to fix them.
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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2003, 04:59:41 PM »
All I can say is, if the A1 and OS4 flop horribly, they'll take AInc and their name followers with it. And that can never be a bad thing.
 

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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2003, 07:27:59 PM »
@ KennyR

I think the appropriate Blackadder response for this is:

"and I hope your mother dies in a freak yachting accident!"

The MorphOS zealots are just as bad as the AmigaOS zealots.
 

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Re: Amiga One vs. Pegasos
« Reply #44 from previous page: June 22, 2003, 07:33:07 PM »
Hey mikeymike,

How about a poll?

Several options

1) I'm sick of the pointless tit for tat...
2) I love the pointless tit for tat...
3) I'm a Peg/MOS troll
4) I'm a A1/OS4 troll
5) I'm leaving...
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