Amiga USB

[Piru]

@Darrin

So, do you advocate Hodge's attidute towards the Mediator and it's users?

What I think is irrelevant.

He has every right to do whatever he pleases. It is his software.

This website does not allow piracy.

If you have some issues with Platon42, fine so be it. Just don't go on some power trip advocating piracy.

[Darrin]

Piru wrote:
What I think is irrelevant.

We agree there.

He has every right to do whatever he pleases. It is his software.

Unfortunately you are right.  However, USB users can always decide to work around his attitude.

This website does not allow piracy.

And?

If you have some issues with Platon42, fine so be it.

Only over childish actions like not registering Mediator users.  It's a shame, because his USB stack is the best one available (so I hear) and is essential for adding modern functionality to classic Amigas.  Still, boys with their toys...

Just don't go on some power trip advocating piracy.

I haven't.  It's just you're so quick to defend your "friend" that you're happy to slander me.  I'll just assume that it is  amiunderstanding on your part and that it's down to your poor grasp of English because the alternative is that you are sadly lacking in the personality department (and that's about as polite as I can put it).

[guru-666]

@Piru

hey you are a stand up guy, but this is truly childish..... think about it its miamiDX..... it's a dead product.

BTW I have heard the mediator is a bad USB stack and not worth the trouble... anyway the amiga does not need USB anyway.

Also Darrin is right ... if the author wants to make money form his work he needs to sell it, since he chooses not to do that... well the result is simple, WHETHER I ADVOCAT IT OR NOT.  It's reality.

Your view is overly idealistic.

Lastly who voted you as piracy czar? LOL!

@all

This new card is cool, fun to see new things pop up form time to time.  ESP stuff that works with classics!

[Boot_WB]

think about it its miamiDX..... it's a dead product.

And Chris Hodges, a talented programmer, will be inspired to write more software for the Amiga because.....?
Just like Holger Kruse (author of MiamiDX) - the masses of software he's released in recent years since his products have been wholesale pirated :roll:.

BTW I have heard the mediator is a bad USB stack and not worth the trouble... anyway the amiga does not need USB anyway.

A technical point, but I think you are confused between a USB stack (software, for example Poseidon) and a USB controller (for example Spider operating through the Mediator busboard). Are you saying that Poseidon is a bad USB stack?  Compared to what other USB stack on the Amiga?

Also Darrin is right ... if the author wants to make money form his work he needs to sell it, since he chooses not to do that... well the result is simple, WHETHER I ADVOCAT IT OR NOT.  It's reality.

And however you cut it, piracy is just that. Just because a shopkeeper refuses to sell his produce to you does not give you the right to steal his goods. You have no god-given right to use any commercial software unless the IP owner chooses to license it to you.

imho

Anyway, it's late - I'm going to bed.

This has all been discussed ad nauseum anyway

[dammy]

Why doesn't someone just port AROS USB and a NIC driver or two over to AOS and be done with it?  Yeah, probably need to port over AROS PCI as well...

Dammy

[keropi]

It is platon42's right to do what he wants with his software, and that is FINAL.
stop the cry-baby/angry thing once and for all.
if u really need USB on the amiga, get a subway or kickflash/subway combo.

[gazgod]

keropi wrote:
you can buy NOW those cards...
here is the order page:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~loofy/thylacine.html

I just got an email from this guy confirming availability

Anyone using one of these cards?

Gaz

[Lemmink]

Are they now available outside of Australia ? The last time I look (about a couple of years back) the Thylacine was only to be sold in Australia / to customers in Australia.

[motorollin]

Also does it come with all of the necessary software (i.e. licensable Poseidon)

--
moto

[gazgod]

Lemmink wrote:
Are they now available outside of Australia ? The last time I look (about a couple of years back) the Thylacine was only to be sold in Australia / to customers in Australia.

I was quoted AU$10 to ship to the uk, i presume they are.

As for Software, I doubt it but i presume you can download Poseidon, i understand the the author is still taking registrations for non mediator users.

Gaz

[keropi]

thylacine cards also have their own usb-stack, called SIRION ... basic but works, it even has usb-ethernet support
and you can always register Poseidon for thylacine.

[derringer3]

Someone write before, that amiga doesn't need usb. But I and my miggy does need. So as a simply amiga end user the story is very sad:

The OS (3.9) doesn't have any support  for usb. Someone sell an usb card but with demo drivers. What a good offer! Other drivers not working with this card.
Someone else want money for an usb driver. For a driver? That is really sad. OK all of the manufacturer not write any driver for his product, and some talented guys do for amiga. But money for a driver is a really sad story.

And one more options for piracy. For a software you have to pay, but you have the rights to get software support too.

[mboehmer_e3b]

The OS (3.9) doesn't have any support  for usb. Someone sell an usb card but with demo drivers. What a good offer! Other drivers not working with this card.

Then ask this hardware vendor why he refuses to allow OpenPCI support... OpenPCI has USB lowlevel drivers which work marvellous on other PCI solutions, and they are for free now (Guido, please correct me if I'm wrong).

Someone else want money for an usb driver. For a driver?
But money for a driver is a really sad story.

Yes, sad indeed. There are people out there who spend some months on developing drivers and a complete USB stack, spend money on development and test hardware, and finally they want to get some money for their work?
Indeed, those guys are crazy in their head.


Use your brain and check yourself: a PCI USB2 NEC card costs around 5EUR. A relabled USB2 NEC card from a certain Amiga company costs 64EUR. Let the fancy sticker cost 1 EUR, so you have a bargain of 58EUR. 58EUR for just relabeling a PCI card, writing a new SubvendorID into the PCI card's EEPROM (to make it a dongle) and writing the lowlevel driver (which any hardware needs anyhow).

Registering Poseidon costs 38EUR, which includes all the support, updates and all IP to make your relabled PCI card doing more than dissipating heat.

Got the point? Do you think this is a balanced situation?

And one more options for piracy. For a software you have to pay, but you have the rights to get software support too.

If you want software support for your board, please contact the manufacturer of it. He made promises, and he's the one to keep them, not other third parties.
As I heard this manufacturer has an own USB stack "almost" working, so why don't you wait for this to be released?

Indeed, sometimes I get sad of people's attitude regarding IP and rights.

Michael

P.S.: I guess some people will start bashing me again, as I dared to express my personal point of view - enjoy it.

[keropi]

Someone else want money for an usb driver. For a driver?
But money for a driver is a really sad story.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ?
get a subway/algor/lagorPRO/Highway USB card that has OEM POSEIDON LICENSE
get a 3rd party hardware that has paid nothing to the driver author and you should register the driver.
(well not anymore but u had your chance until December2006 anyway, if after all that you get a Spider card, then it serves you right, and if u had it before it is your own fault that u did not register before)
if you think a USB stack for the amiga is so simple go write your own and make it freeware.

in the same "manner" registering MUI is sad, having payed for CyberGraphX4 is sad, hell even paying for OS is sad...

[mboehmer_e3b]

I don't advocate anything, but if someone has no legal means to obtain some software and has exhausted all of the alternatives then I can't blame them if they decide to use a copy instead, but I'd hope that if the product became available again then they would buy it.

Your attitude smells like a dead fish... do you have the same attitude to other goods, too, like this?

"I have no legal means to obtain a car and have exhausted all of the alternatives. So I have stolen one now, and I use it, but be sure the day I can legally buy it I will spend my money to the guy I have stolen the car from."

If you answer is "yes" then please consider it again. But this time imagine that you are the guy who's car has been stolen by someone with the attitude you seem to advertise here.

So, do you advocate Hodge's attidute towards the Mediator and it's users?

Don't point to others and complain while in the same posting you admit doing piracy.

Michael

[gazgod]

derringer3 wrote:

Someone else want money for an usb driver. For a driver?

I presume your talking about Poseidon. Poseidon is not a driver, a driver is the piece of software that allow the hardware to interact with the OS or in this case because the OS has no usb support a 3rd party stack is required. My only experience wits Poseidon is through Morphos on my peg2's and I am very impressed with the level of support it provides, This has made me want usb on my classic machines (mainly to access memory cards etc). If you want something that isn't a part of the os and someone has spent a  time developing it then why not pay for it? I know i wouldn't want to code it.

I don't claim to understand the reasons for him not to support mediator owners (pure laziness on my part, i just cant be bothered to read up) but it is the developers right to say who can and can't use his software.

I just ordered 3 Thylacine cards (2 for me one for a member of our user group) If anyone is interested I'll let you know how i get on.

Gaz