Is anybody happy about the lawsuit?

[bloodline]

countzero wrote:

bloodline wrote:

I'm not actually sure what it is you appreciate... the Friedens didn't work on OS4 for you... they did it to make money...

Do you honestly believe that they made an OS from SCRATCH which has no hardware to run on for MONEY ?

that's not the easiest way to bang the bucks in my book !

Ok then, why don't they give it away?

[JoannaK]

IMHO this lawsuit should have been initiated years ago.. It's been about 4 years since AmigaInc did pay Hyperion for OS4, and since then they have been waiting for Hyperion to deliver. I am not saying that AmigaInc has been innocent during these years, they have definitely done their best of confusing things up and driving people away.. But this OS4 issue is between those companies and Hyperion ain't been keeping their end of bargain.

Let's face it. Hyperion did jump into this OS4 making quite willingly. They accepted their payment and announced their own timetable. If they can't make OS in the time *they* agreed, it's their fault. And if they have agreed to give it to AmigaInc on measily 25K usd then it's their agreement and they should honor it. And yes, it's Hyperion's fault if they can't keep their subcontractors on shedule and operate according their agreement with AmigaInc.

So.. as it seems to be that Hyperion ain't able(or willing) to do their part voluntarely (and paid) it's quite obvious this kind of action was eventually needed. I don't feel mush sympathy on either side, they have made their own beds and chosen their business partners so they are definitely reaping what they sow.

[Glittering]

Exactly. Hyperion has made their bed and no one forced them to act unprofessional and no one certainly wanted them to hold OS4 hostage, Amiga Inc have their faults but in this case Hyperion is 100% to blame and it amazes me, that they still have loyal fans to defend and make silly excuses for them.

So the world may know.

[guru-666]

@glittering
So you work at hyperion and know these facts?
It amazes me that with so little inforamtion you are so sure of your self... alot like those popele that where so sure they would find WMD... interesting... beacsue I don't think you know any mroe than I.

[countzero]

it's funny to see b.mc even trolling the forums in his spare time ...

[Glittering]

Its so blindly obvious, all you have to do is look at Hyperions dirty track record regarding OS4 to see the bigger picture. I know people view Hyperion as "Amiga crusaders" and "heroes" but when you take off the boing ball glasses it becomes clear than those "heroes" you think so highly of have been taking the piss out off Amiga users for years.

You guys want to see the good in Hyperion, which is fine but being blind to the people that are hurting the platform is just downright stupid and ignorant.

Amiga Inc are {bleep}s without a doubt but the enemy within (Hyperion) are even lower.

[koaftder]

From the documents, it appears that Amiga Inc made a payment and then some to Hyperion. If Hyperion actually cashed that check and took the money and really didn't provide the code as per their agreement, then thats really, really messed up.

From reading the agreement, it looks like Amiga had a lot of room to yank them around.

From what it looks like to me, I see one company thats untrustworthy and greedy ( Amiga Inc ) and another company that bit off more than they could chew and didn't play by the rules they agreed to ( Hyperion ).

[amigakid]

Well i find it kinda entertaining actually.  Look at the bright side with the lawsuits at least the Amiga community can finally say that A-Inc has produced something (even if it isn't HW or SW) lol.  Besides they have nothing better to do anyways, lord knows they dont know crap about software development nor hardware development so what else is there.  Hyperion needs to honor a release date or change thier name to Microsoft

[TjLaZer]

I agree 100%, you saved me a lot of typing JoannaK!!!

IMHO this lawsuit should have been initiated years ago.. It's been about 4 years since AmigaInc did pay Hyperion for OS4, and since then they have been waiting for Hyperion to deliver. I am not saying that AmigaInc has been innocent during these years, they have definitely done their best of confusing things up and driving people away.. But this OS4 issue is between those companies and Hyperion ain't been keeping their end of bargain.

Let's face it. Hyperion did jump into this OS4 making quite willingly. They accepted their payment and announced their own timetable. If they can't make OS in the time *they* agreed, it's their fault. And if they have agreed to give it to AmigaInc on measily 25K usd then it's their agreement and they should honor it. And yes, it's Hyperion's fault if they can't keep their subcontractors on shedule and operate according their agreement with AmigaInc.

So.. as it seems to be that Hyperion ain't able(or willing) to do their part voluntarely (and paid) it's quite obvious this kind of action was eventually needed. I don't feel mush sympathy on either side, they have made their own beds and chosen their business partners so they are definitely reaping what they sow.

[TheMagicM]

yea... and you want 20 questions with Amiga Incompetent.   I'd ignore them and tell them to piss off..

[avanham]

The Amiga market hasn't been a big money-maker for a long, long time.  I seriously doubt the Friedens ever expected to make a lot of money off OS4.  Nobody would take the risk developing software for such a weak market for monetary reasons alone.  There are a lot greener pastures for good programmers than the amiga.  

If A-inc really cared about the amiga, they would have made sure there was hardware to run OS4 on.  They have left Hyperion in an unrecoverable position in which they can't sell their work because there is no hardware, and they can't rewrite it for any other platform that does have hardware.

Personally, I think the saviours of the amiga market will turn out to be Dennis' minimig project and the AROS team.  Since they are doing it for free and releasing all of the code, they can't be sued or caught up in legal battles.  

[odin]

Oh, I'm sure AInc will find grounds to sue them too and every single Amiga-user too probably. I almost think it's the dwarf twin brother of SCO.

[Tigger]

avanham wrote:
Why hate the people who actually did something?  What has A-Inc done for the amiga in the last 10 years?  Hyperion actually sat down and used some imagination and creativity to CREATE something.  A-inc seems to be in business lately just to sit on their hands.

Actually Amiga Inc is the one who really did something.  Amiga Inc hired a contractor to write an update to an OS.   A year after it was supposed to be delivered, they decided that Hyperion was never going to finish it and they paid them the money promised them, plus an additional fee, but still didnt receive what they were promised (source and executables for the OS).   Four years after paying for it, Hyperion apparently decided that they owned the OS and signed a distributer for an OS based on AI IP whose modifications were paid for by AI to the amount required by the contract.  
    -Tig

   

[jorkany]

The Amiga market hasn't been a big money-maker for a long, long time. I seriously doubt the Friedens ever expected to make a lot of money off OS4.

If so, then it looks like they got their wish.

If A-inc really cared about the amiga, they would have made sure there was hardware to run OS4 on. They have left Hyperion in an unrecoverable position in which they can't sell their work because there is no hardware, and they can't rewrite it for any other platform that does have hardware.

Actually from the court documents presented so far, it looks like Hyperion is more than a little responsible for their current situation.

Personally, I think the saviours of the amiga market will turn out to be Dennis' minimig project and the AROS team. Since they are doing it for free and releasing all of the code, they can't be sued or caught up in legal battles.

Spot on! But, they *can* be sued - anybody can be sued for anything, at least here in the US, though admittedly there aren't any real grounds for a suit against them.

[countzero]

Tigger wrote:

Four years after paying for it, Hyperion apparently decided that they owned the OS and signed a distributer for an OS based on AI IP whose modifications were paid for by AI to the amount required by the contract.  
    -Tig

methinks you're too jumpy. Have you seen the original contract of Hyperion ? No ? Don't you think it's a little bit strange that it was not submitted to the court ? Did you know all AInc's claims were based on a 2004 contract which was NOT signed by either parties ? (Arctic software development agreement)

[Tigger]

countzero wrote:

Tigger wrote:

Four years after paying for it, Hyperion apparently decided that they owned the OS and signed a distributer for an OS based on AI IP whose modifications were paid for by AI to the amount required by the contract.  
    -Tig

methinks you're too jumpy. Have you seen the original contract of Hyperion ? No ? Don't you think it's a little bit strange that it was not submitted to the court ? Did you know all AInc's claims were based on a 2004 contract which was NOT signed by either parties ? (Arctic software development agreement)

I think I have actually read the documents and you have not at this point, so no I dont think I am being jumpy. Have I seen the original contract with Hyperion?  Yes, I have and if you'd read Fleecy's deposition, you would have read it too, its Exhibit A.  Its identical to the unsigned one thats been floating around btw, but it has Alan, Benji and Barry's (fleecy) signature on it, and initials on every page.  Now how about you go read the document and then come back with your questions.  In addition, we see that in April 24, 2003 that Ben Hermans and Kouri signed an agreement for $25K for Hyperion to deliver the OS4 code and executables (Thats Exhibit F of the Bill McEwen Deposition).  Its 4 years later and they havent delivered the code or executables yet.  
     -Tig