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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2007, 06:33:49 PM »
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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2007, 06:36:42 PM »
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As an operating system AmigaOS is rather limited and outdated: No memory protection, no resource tracking, no POSIX stuff. Due to this AmigaOS lacks some important software, such as decent web browser, office suite and so on.


We have pthreads. :-P
Ixemul provides some POSIX functionality, but it's incomplete. My understanding is that being POSIX compliant is not enough to get a lot of software ported. It's the myriad of other dependencies too. It would certainly make it easier though.

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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2007, 06:38:09 PM »
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sure Fran.. but who's going to want to boot up a 512k A500 to run Dpaint with very little ram left? Or to do the same and run the boing ball and clock w/a CLI showing the 'dir' command output.. lol.

Take for example a expanded amiga and try see which OS lets you send your email quickest! AmigaOS will for sure win on such tasks, so i would call that a advantage. Linux and Windows is slow and not very responsive even if you compare a modern pc with lets say a slow AmigaONE running OS4.

It is no secret that it lacks quite a few modern features thanks to the developement being pretty much stalled since commodores demise. It does still however have some areas where it is better, which includes the fact that it is very lightweight and responsive compared to even the most lighweight linux distro running a lightweight window manager.

In the end it all depends on what YOU use your computer for.
I see no reason in switching to windows, linux or even mac if the amiga has to software to do your tasks just fine if not even better than your powerful beige box. If abiword has enough features for you, then why switch to a pc running word or openoffice? It would be no point, as it would actually take you longer to do your task then.

Same thing with computer upgrades.. Alot of people upgrade or buy a new computer, even though all they use their computer for is web surfing, email and some simple text editing. What is the point of using a new core 2 due with latest GFX card if your only using these apps? When your older PIII would do the job just fine..
 

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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2007, 06:41:00 PM »
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sure Fran.. but who's going to want to boot up a 512k A500 to run Dpaint with very little ram left?  Or to do the same and run the boing ball and clock w/a CLI showing the 'dir' command output.. lol.


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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2007, 06:43:44 PM »
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Try to do the same that AmigaOS do on 7 mhz 512k with linux


I think he was asking about advantages that are still relevant _today_.


errr!!! yes you cannot run quake 4, but why I need gazillions of cores, multi MHZ and tons of megabytes for only coping files, view the content of a media, or read o view simple text files or pictures?

A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited  :crazy: because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.And most handheld devices have limited memory and they try to do all that a desktop do
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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2007, 07:03:22 PM »
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but why I need gazillions of cores, multi MHZ and tons of megabytes for only coping files, view the content of a media, or read o view simple text files or pictures?


Because you don't?

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A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited  because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.


WTF? Did you also say that when the Amiga appeared on the market?
Fransexy says: "Don't buy this new technology, I tell ya, nobody needs a blitter for viewing text files or coding machine code!!1! It's a waste of earth resources to build it! Everybody should keep using their VIC-20, ok, you can run Defender of the Crown on this Amiga, but who need 512kb of memory just for copying files! And who needs a GUI anyway? It's much faster to just type the commands and it doesn't have to boot something like a Workbench!!1!"  :crazy:  :lol:
 

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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2007, 07:14:56 PM »
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but why I need gazillions of cores, multi MHZ and tons of megabytes for only coping files, view the content of a media, or read o view simple text files or pictures?


Because you don't?

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A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited  because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.


WTF? Did you also say that when the Amiga appeared on the market?
Fransexy says: "Don't buy this new technology, I tell ya, nobody needs a blitter for viewing text files or coding machine code!!1! It's a waste of earth resources to build it! Everybody should keep using their VIC-20, ok, you can run Defender of the Crown on this Amiga, but who need 512kb of memory just for copying files! And who needs a GUI anyway? It's much faster to just type the commands and it doesn't have to boot something like a Workbench!!1!"  :crazy:  :lol:


I don´t say don´t buy this technology, I say don´t waste it, if you could do the same with less memory, why waste it? only because you have 10X time more?.The 8 bit machines were exploded to the max, they touched ceiling and exceeded it.Do you really belive that today chips are exploted to the maximun?
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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2007, 07:38:24 PM »
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I don´t say don´t buy this technology, I say don´t waste it, if you could do the same with less memory, why waste it? only because you have 10X time more?


Let me see, nowadays you can hardly find a pre-build computer with less than 512MB, most come with 1GB or even more. I see no reason why I should use an OS that only utilizes 10% of that when "copying files, watching media, viewing textfiles". _That_ would be a waste. Or is there a way of sharing that unused amount of 900MB with some poor kids in Ethiopia, I mean, just to save valuable earth resources?  :lol:
 

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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2007, 07:41:09 PM »
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I can think of one! No need to gracefully shut-down. Just flip the power switch off. :-) ...providing that there is no disk activity going on, that is. :-)


This is different than NTFS, ext3, HFS+ in what way exactly? :-?
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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2007, 08:09:29 PM »
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Take for example a expanded amiga and try see which OS lets you send your email quickest! AmigaOS will for sure win on such tasks, so i would call that a advantage. Linux and Windows is slow and not very responsive even if you compare a modern pc with lets say a slow AmigaONE running OS4.


:lol:
I dont think "sending email quickest" is a good example.. I can shoot one out pretty quick under Linux. :lol:  My system rocks and is very responsive.



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It does still however have some areas where it is better, which includes the fact that it is very lightweight and responsive compared to even the most lighweight linux distro running a lightweight window manager.
 

Being that I'm a car guy, I always read/hear about the ricers (import vehicle drivers) trying to compare their v4 against American v8 muscle.  One of the things they try to brag about is horsepower per ci/litre.  Its like comparing a Honda to a Ferrari.. in the end its still a Honda. LOL.  

Its great people still use it for internet, games etc.. its just silly to compare something so old to the latest and greatest.

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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2007, 08:14:41 PM »
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A wait now your response will be: but today memory are cheap and computer have tons of memory.Ohh!!! yeahh!! and earth resources are unlimited  because a resource are avaliable in quantity not means that you should waste it.


Isnt that what gaming companies thought?  Everyone has a 512k Amiga so lets design all games for that..nobody will expand it.. and thats why our games didnt get any better.
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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2007, 08:24:05 PM »
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adonay wrote:
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So why are you even here if there is absolutely nothing positive about it?


What i mean is that the amiga os has no ground compared to Linux in these days "or any late main stream developed os" .. Linux is what you want it too be it is small or large nice gui or simply text based .. If you aren't an amiga user such as me and you from before i doubt you will be very charmed by the os as it is. We lack things such as a proper web browser or even a up to date office package etc .. We who use our amiga will defend this say we can do this and that but when you look in a wider perspective those ways aren't always more easy . What about HD video on a classic amiga computer or even dvd ? You may say you have no use for that kind of thing in your os . I will say i would rather have the possibility to see those kind of files than not.. Or for instance "real example" on my work we use windows as a os and some important way of demonstrating our work is done by a Power point presentation.. I can run that presentation in open office home and even alter some of the content but i can not use my amiga os the same way... I am also a big fan of some flash/java animation series on internet i watch it every week and have too turn too my second os in order too do so.. I would love too buy a screaming fast amiga system that would run the latest version of amiga os "4.0" or even a peggy to run morph .. But seems i cant even do this .. so logically i can not recommend a today's os user more than NONE. He will be used too running fast hardware " .. You may say try the good old ... For what too build a xxx$ system and then finding out parts of it may die any time soon. There is always winuae - E-UAE "i may add is great" but it does not run with out a host os hence not really a stand alone os....

Amiga os is great for hobby use when you have some retro insight in the platform .. we all justify it has futures such as screendrag etc but tell me have you seen a os with multiple work spaces .. Amiga was the first but now it is ordinary with similar ways that make general computing easy or not too say interesting...

It has nothing to do with me not beeing interested in amiga os i just tell the true story that i can not use my amiga for all the things i once could use it for .. The os is good as we know it but can not protect it self against the new main stream operating systems with enugh coders and money to produce new quality software with constant updates ...
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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2007, 08:38:18 PM »
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This is different than NTFS, ext3, HFS+ in what way exactly? :-?


Only Amiga makes it possible! ;-)
At the file-system level, I guess there is no difference, however AmigaOS does not need to be shut down gracefully like Windows for example.

Not that it actually matters or makes a big deal. :-)
 

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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2007, 08:40:51 PM »
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Try to do the same that AmigaOS do on 7 mhz 512k with linux


Could you please post again using an unexpanded Amiga 500?

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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2007, 08:47:17 PM »
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At the file-system level, I guess there is no difference, however AmigaOS does not need to be shut down gracefully like Windows for example.


Btw you dont have to do that on Windows either. I have done that on XP many times. It nags when you boot but you can just ignore it.

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Re: What are the advantages of Amiga...
« Reply #29 from previous page: April 26, 2007, 09:47:53 PM »
The Amiga won't complain.
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