Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up

[jkirk]

mel

while i agree that military grade weapons and automatics should not be in the pubic hands guns do serve a purpose.

in the country where there are no (or few) grocery stores you must hunt for your food or fish for your food. for hunting you must shoot or bludgeon the animal to death. also i would much rather shoot a rattlesnake to death than to walk up to it with a knife or axe and try to kill one that way.

also if you have a mob on your doorsteps an axe in your hand won't affect things in the least but if you have a shotgun in your hand they will think twice before attacking (even if they have guns too)

i hate to fall back on the old saying but it is true. guns don't kill people, people kill people. you can get rid of everything(guns, axes, brooms, pipes, wire, rope, etc) and this will still be true.

as for your situation you were lucky that person was incompetant or you would have been dead anyway. he could have thrown something at you(including the knife) to stop you from fleeing then killed you.

btw just to dash water on your theory about gun fanatics are the only ones for guns. i don't own a gun. they scare me(same with knives). i have used them though when i needed to(coming face to face with rattlesnakes regularly kinda wakes you up to that.)
 

[jkirk]

You realistically can't have it both ways. You can have them properly secured or you can have them ready to use in a genuine emergency.

yes you can. you just have to be creative. put a small pistol in a place that nobody would think to look but a place that you can get to easily.

btw anyone that thinks a lock will stop a thief is sadly mistaken. locks are there to keep an honest person honest.

[Karlos]

in the country where there are no (or few) grocery stores you must hunt for your food or fish for your food. for hunting you must shoot or bludgeon the animal to death. also i would much rather shoot a rattlesnake to death than to walk up to it with a knife or axe and try to kill one that way.

Where do you get your ammunition from? Seems odd that a gun store would take precedence over basic amenities like food etc.

[jkirk]

i see you have never packed your own bullets then.

you can get the materials mail order. and gunpowder lasts a long time when properly stored.reloading cartriges

also as for the stores, yes you can buy dried or canned foods but if you want fresh meat and vegetables you have two choices drive 30-40 miles to the nearest grocery store(if you are not lucky to have one nearby) or grow it, shoot it yourself.

where i lived the nearest grocery store was 15 miles away. the post office was 5 miles away.

[Karlos]

i see you have never packed your own bullets then.

No, but then I don't have a gun either :-)

[jkirk]

i have no gun either. however i knew someone who took a 410 and reloaded the cartriges but instead of putting the metal shot he instead put rocksalt in it. that way if it was fired it would not be lethal(except point blank range) but when you shot it the person or animal will have lots to think about. it seriously burns as the salt is in an open wound.

he saved the lethal shots 12 gauge for emergencies and hunting

[X-ray]

@ Karlos

"...Where do you get your ammunition from? Seems odd that a gun store would take precedence over basic amenities like food etc...."
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I don't hunt, but I also don't turn down meat that was harvested from a hunt. I've enjoyed quite a few game meat dishes and I discuss these with members of several firearm forums. I prefer it if the meat is made into biltong.
A lot of these guys live way out in the middle of nowhere and they tend to have a stockpile of ammunition so that they can hunt all season. That's the nice thing about ammo: it doesn't spoil.
For those who still hunt even though they have access to grocery stores around the corner, they are saving money by eating these wild animals. Of course they have to pay for hunting permits, but there is quite a lot of meat that can be had from a deer and the cost of buying that same amount of beef would be more.
It may also surprise you (it surprised me) that there are some people who go on squirrel hunts and bag about twenty squirrels at a time. They cook those and eat them. There is even a company that buys the tails for about 20 cents. The parts of the animal that aren't eaten go to the scavenging animals.
I guess worms and buzzards have to eat too.

[Hyperspeed]

I believe all young ladies should follow this girl's philosophy on self defence:

[iamaboringperson]

Hyperspeed wrote:
I believe all young ladies should follow this girl's philosophy on self defence:

Oh yeah!

I suppose it beats trying to get their keys out of their hand-bag and aiming for the guys eyes.

[iamaboringperson]

I still want to hear about hunters and hunting.

What are people who hunt supposed to do?

[jkirk]

iamaboringperson wrote:
I still want to hear about hunters and hunting.

What are people who hunt supposed to do?

shoot!! :lol:

srry i just had to say that.

[Hyperspeed]

by iamaboringperson:
What are people who hunt supposed to do?

Become vegetarian and live a life of low cholesterol and high libido?



:-D

[iamaboringperson]

Or just keep eating an enjoyable food.

[Hyperspeed]

I suppose 12-gauge lead pellets are an acquired taste. Myself, I prefer a good plate of macaroni cheese... or curry & chips!

As for street guns - I bet half the tribal/turf disputes are coming from aggresive rap music which turns already disillusioned fatherless teenagers into wannabe gangsters.

Rip up the ghettos and the 60s housing estates, crack down on drugs and start building dance/sports arenas.

As another personal thing - people under 18 should not be allowed the cigarette, the car or the mobile phone. One promotes dependance on a substance, one promotes laziness and machoism at too early an age and the third breeds a generation of little spies/bullies (not to mention the cancer risk from prolonged phonecalls on a microwave emitting device).

Too many times have we seen news of playground bullying with camera phones, text messages of hate etc. and such devices have no doubt lead to increased gang mentality.

The social security system needs reforming too, where are these kids getting 900 GBP for a .38?

The school rules should be ripped up too. If I was a teacher and some kid started mouthing off and acting 'da man' I'd kick his friggin' arse. These days though young kids can make accusations and the teachers are scared. We need bad-ass teachers who can also inspire kids with martial arts, engineering and money discipline.

It's the boys that are suffering in school these days. Girls are far outsripping boys academically and I believe this is caused by a system that doesn't take into account the way a male mind works. Too much emphasis on parrot-learning and not on creative thinking, adapting and physical management.

Another sensitive thing is the imbalance of ethnic groups. In Britain the asians stay together and the black people stay in their area. Too much immigration and isolationism leads to far-right fascism.

[iamaboringperson]

(not to mention the cancer risk from prolonged phonecalls on a microwave emitting device).

Hyperspeed, what 'microwave emitting device'? They don't emit microwaves, and you can argue all you want, but there's no evidence that they are causing cancer. (Else, why hasn't there been any correlation between mobile usage and cancer?)

[CannonFodder]

Hyperspeed wrote:
I suppose 12-gauge lead pellets are an acquired taste. Myself, I prefer a good plate of macaroni cheese... or curry & chips!

As for street guns - I bet half the tribal/turf disputes are coming from aggresive rap music which turns already disillusioned fatherless teenagers into wannabe gangsters.

Rip up the ghettos and the 60s housing estates, crack down on drugs and start building dance/sports arenas.

As another personal thing - people under 18 should not be allowed the cigarette, the car or the mobile phone. One promotes dependance on a substance, one promotes laziness and machoism at too early an age and the third breeds a generation of little spies/bullies (not to mention the cancer risk from prolonged phonecalls on a microwave emitting device).

Too many times have we seen news of playground bullying with camera phones, text messages of hate etc. and such devices have no doubt lead to increased gang mentality.

The social security system needs reforming too, where are these kids getting 900 GBP for a .38?

The school rules should be ripped up too. If I was a teacher and some kid started mouthing off and acting 'da man' I'd kick his friggin' arse. These days though young kids can make accusations and the teachers are scared. We need bad-ass teachers who can also inspire kids with martial arts, engineering and money discipline.

It's the boys that are suffering in school these days. Girls are far outsripping boys academically and I believe this is caused by a system that doesn't take into account the way a male mind works. Too much emphasis on parrot-learning and not on creative thinking, adapting and physical management.

Another sensitive thing is the imbalance of ethnic groups. In Britain the asians stay together and the black people stay in their area. Too much immigration and isolationism leads to far-right fascism.

Welcome Mr Clarkson.  Do wipe your feet on the way out. ;-)