What's this about a OS4 Pegasos kit?

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I'm probably more informed than you may think ;-)

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Send a mail to GGS Data. They have Pegasos 1 in stock. This also qualifies you for the €200 Pegasos2+G4 upgrade.

with only 600 users (many of them only want MorphOS and don't want OS4) I don't think it worths the effort and money. They are too busy supporting Cyberstorms and Ones to waste time in such a tiny platform. The Pegasos II is much more interesting because it will sell in large quantities.

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Genesi still have not written a firewire or disk drive driver... it shows you how much important is teh Peggy 2 compared to the Peggy 1

[redrumloa]

Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.

Look at the price of the AmigaOne :-o

[Madgun68]

@Alkemyst

Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.

It's not just the price that factors in to it. I don't really doubt that Genesi can afford to pay the license fee(s). The bigger question is: Would it be a wise business decision to pay the fee(s) considering the currently limited marketplace for AOS4? It's hard to answer this when the details are not publicly known.

Has anyone stopped to consider what consumers are paying in licensing fees for the AmigaOne? If Mai are fabless as claimed, then they're going to make their money off of the licensing charged (in this case) not only for the Teron but the Articia too. Then add the Amiga license on top of that. (Eyetech may front the cost, but IS passed on to the consumer.)

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Alkemyst wrote:

by Madgun68 on 2003/6/5 18:31:11
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Since you're so informed, please tell all of us how much this license costs.

Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.

I... To be honest, checking the old announcements about AmigaONE and OS4, criterias, etc. and the recent Ask Fleecy answers...

I have no idea. I'll explain why. OS4 isn't out yet, but Eyetech can comply with the criterias and expectations. Eyetech didn't even had a working board, when it was AmigaONE. The story goes on, and on...

But the point is - I doubt that it'd be the same for anyone as for eyetech, as it seems to me the "standard" for the criterias are are always Eyetech itself.

As to what licensing fees they pay for OS4 we don't know: I even dare to presume that ATM nothing, as OS4 isn't out yet.

Another puzzling point how will OS4 sales handled. Will it be an additional cost for AmigaONE owners? If it's already "built in" in AmigaONE cost, then where is this money? (There are already AmigaONE boards sold) At Hyperion? If not, then when will they receive it? When OS4 is ready? But what about their rights to sell it, which can be purchased back?

Pretty a dozen open questions, so I don't want to jump into conclusions. I don't even hope that we will receive answers, as these are business secrets.

It'd be exciting to know the answers however :-)

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redrumloa wrote:

Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.

Look at the price of the AmigaOne :-o

Yeah. You'd think with the competition of the Pegasos, Eyetech/Amiga Inc would try lowering the prices. Does anyone know why they cost more? (other than because Eyetech like ripping ppl off or similar crap. I'm not interested.)

I should imagine a lot of Peggy users will manage to get OS4 running legally or otherwise.

But if bbrv is so interested in buying a licence, how do the morphos developers feel about this? Is Morphos going to be abandoned? Surely all support and effort should be put into this as it is the true pegasos OS and could be grand.

Cheers,

-zudo

[Alkemyst]

by redrumloa on 2003/6/5 19:08:40


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Well it cant be that much seeing as eyetech could afford it.




Look at the price of the AmigaOne

If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.

Equal being selling the exact same hardware from the same source witch they are not.

Then seeing the price of the one that comes with Aos4 & the one that came with MOS.

[redrumloa]

If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.

No all things are probably no equal, but we may never know 100% for sure. Eyetech will of course say they arent making much money at this price, but they wont say how much it costs them per board to manufacture and how much the license is. As a consumer you rarely hear these things.

So that leaves speculation.

[Madgun68]

Genesi still have not written a firewire or disk drive driver... it shows you how much important is teh Peggy 2 compared to the Peggy 1

Floppy drivers? Why do people even need those? My PC, Pegasos and Amiga machines all have USB. I use a 40Gb usb drive for transfers between the machines.

Heck, none of the PC hardware I've bought recently had drivers on floppy either.

As for firewire.. SHRUG. Don't own any of the devices myself.

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redrumloa wrote:

If all things being equal then yes i would agree with you but they are not.

No all things are probably no equal, but we may never know 100% for sure. Eyetech will of course say they arent making much money at this price, but they wont say how much it costs them per board to manufacture and how much the license is. As a consumer you rarely hear these things.

So that leaves speculation.

Ever thought that maybe Genesi are subsidising the cost of boards to

a) Kickstart intrest to get over the whole chicken/egg pice/volume problem

b)Undercut and kill the "competition"

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takemehomegrandma wrote:
@ Thomas Frieden

Especially since you can't buy a Pegasos now at any price,

Send a mail to GGS Data. They have Pegasos 1 in stock. This also qualifies you for the €200 Pegasos2+G4 upgrade.
 

Very interesting, we got all this "Sold out", "amazing success" nonsense, and yet months afterwards there are still "a few" boards for sale (and it's been "a few" for a some months)

[Madgun68]

Very interesting, we got all this "Sold out", "amazing success" nonsense, and yet months afterwards there are still "a few" boards for sale (and it's been "a few" for a some months)

Those were boards set aside for the developer program. And yes, as far as that program goes, there are no more.

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>b)Undercut and kill the "competition"

Too bad. It's called business.

Don't you know that the "good ones" only win in
Hollywood movies?

[DaveP]

I don't think he ever said it was bad or good. Just a possibility.

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@Uncharted
>Very interesting, we got all this "Sold out", "amazing success" nonsense, and yet months afterwards there are still "a few" boards for sale (and it's been "a few" for a some months)

Good point you have there.
Maybe it's because of the price when resellers are selling, a lot more than what I got it for example.