Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003

[Tigger]

NihilVor wrote:
>"Someone hacked our phones"
>
> "Everyone who claims the Amiga Inc offices are >vacated is a vile FUDder"

In defense of Amiga—and there is much that is indefensible.  Amiga employees quickly admitted that they left their offices and that the fact that they got a lot of prank calls had nothing to do with it.  Now they didn’t post this on their site, but to those who asked, they admitted it.  It was Amiga fanatics that took the above points of view or half-truths and made excuses, but most of this didn’t come from Amiga Inc.—the apologists made many of the inferences.

I'm sorry, they posted in answer to questions about Phones, Offices etc, that they were still there, that they had changed phone numbers etc.  If they fessed up in private conversations to a few close friends what was really happening, thats great for you guys, but it does take away that they lied to the Amiga community as a whole.   Blaming it on H&P or Genesi FUD is ridiculous when someone is posting the truth.  They were locked out of their offices, there stuff is being auctioned off in less then 2 weeks, this isnt rumors by competitors, this the honest truth, unlike Fleecies we are still in the offices comment that went for months after they were locked out.  
      -Tig

[DaveP]

Yes. Rebranding a busted board and adding a buncha dollars to the price is real good work. Of course one might have to do that to accomodate the Value Subtracted Reseller (VSR) tax seen alternately as the Seehund Dongle ; }

Are we going to have to bring that argument on here as well?

Or should I let this pass as a silly post designed to wind certain persons up?

[Roj]

Now get back to work! We need a "real" Amiga OS for the Pegasos besides 3.X (which we have well over 1000 copies of already still in boxes)! We need that "OS4 Kit" for Pegasos II owners Fleecy has been talking about!!!

I realize how far apart MorphOS and AmigaOS developers are, but if you'd figure out some way to work together instead of constantly attempting, and consequently succeeding, to discredit each other, I would think, and others may agree, that far more progress would be made in delivering an up-to-date OS. Or does this idea make too much sense?

[Phantom206]

Well, Amiga is going like a nomad.

These things sees Jay Miner and I don't know what he will do if he gets angry!!!  :-o

These are not news to see for father of Amiga.... :-?

[seer]

These are not news to see for father of Amiga....  :-?

Well Jay Miner passed away a long time ago.. I don't believe he would find the AmigaONE or the Pegasos a true succesor to his baby, but then, he was the hardware guru, and we are talking OS succesor now-a-day, real custom hardware is a long dream away.. (AG2 stuff right ;-))

[ensu]

Hello Vincent,

I'm with you. IMHO bbrv are the biggest BS talkers I ever virtually met.

ciao...

[Tomas]

This war never ends? Why would someone buy the trademark just to screw things up for AmigaINC? Sure they have troubles.. but why make it worse? Biggest reason for their money problems is probably all this crap..... sigh  :cry:

I must say this is pretty childish of you guys... specially bbrv... I was actually considering a peg+mos when i managed to dig up some money... but not after this.. Trying the best to kill off the competitiors is not the way to do it.. you wont get customers this way. GROW UP

[bbrv]

Hi ensu, Vincent changed a bit on that position...;-)

When did we meet?

Please remind us...;-)

Hey Tomas, give it a rest sport.  We did not kill them.  They died of self-inflected wounds.

"bbrv"  :-)

[Targhan]

@ensu
The definition of BS is when words are not backed up by action.

@Tomas

I am a bit surprised at your answer.  BBRV has no interest in killing off the Amiga.  Competition is a good thing.  All he said was that, as a laugh, he'd try to submit an application for the now OFFICIALLY ABANDONED trademark -- and he did.

How could you possibly turn that around on BBRV?  Hell, if I had $335 (or 670 considering it's software), I'd have tried to register it myself....

[greenboy]

DaveP : Or should I let this pass as a silly post designed to wind certain persons up?

Hi DaveP,

If the obverse were posted (and it has been many times as well), would it really wind anyone up who isn't already wound up? Though I did enjoy the look I imagined on Seehund's face, I admit, I don't really just want to spend time to take a cheap shot. But what I alluded has been a point of contention for some time, both on financial and technical fronts.

I suppose the marketplace will ultimately decide what hasn't already been decided though. And it won't stop at the boundary of the miggy 'hood. In fact, other companies not concerned with our platform allegiances in particular have already seen this and made tough decisions to cancel sales of what they consider sub-par products.

To extend that, it's also been very obvious that PPC-based products designed some time ago have a long way to go in terms of price and functionality. Genesi has chosen to address this in their fashion though it was a big hit on the timeline to say that Pegasos One was not worth continuing because of Mai, and it is costing a lot to work toward competitive improvement. Even though April has made for a pretty nice board for those who have felt starved of replacement, or those who are searching for development continuance opportunities, it still has cost too much for too little. Meanwhile, time continues to rush by in the x86 sector.

Now I'm severely off-topic, having replied to a post I might have just ignored - and now again ; }  But I appreciate your indulgence.

[Vincent]

@Targhan

Unfortunately I can't afford to attend AmiWest.  Hell, I can't even afford to attend a UK show :-(

I would've liked to have gone to see what the announcements would be.  I guess I'll have to catch up on it in the news.

@Zudo:  I'm the same.  I don't trust a lot of people here, either people like me or the people trying to make the change.  The only people I like and trust that are in a position to do something are Eyetech, Hyperion and a certain bunch of people on here that have certain jobs.  (I'm not saying anything so they're kept out of one of my arguments).

@seer

I've never been bothered about the rivalry between computers/consoles.  If I want one I'll buy it.  All the computers/consoles I've ever had:

3 Spectrum 128k's, 1 48k
2 MegaDrives, 1 SNES
2 PSX (the original PS1's), 1 PS2
1 Gameboy, 1 GameGear
1 A1200T, 1 A500, 1 A600
1 Amstrad PCW
3 PC's

I'm after a GameCube just now aswell, so I've got no problem with having a Pegasos or A1 or both.  I just don't like certain people in the situations regarding them.

@Jose

If you read BBRV's posts to BSberg (:lol:) you'll know what I mean.  If you don't I suggest you read Wayne's post on here aswell.

@Tigger

I *thought* all the Garry Hare stuff was bs.  I still don't know quite what to make of it.  I never heard the Fleecy theory and I don't much care.  I don't read what he's got to say, and I don't usually read what other people say about it either (especially on here eh Wayne? ;-), jk)  I don't even visit the forum that Fleecy does his speeches on.  I couldn't even tell you the name of it just now either.  I have no opinion of Fleecy at all.  I was going out of the Amiga scene when he was becoming more important (or more talkative), so I haven't really had any basis to form an opinion of him.

@ensu

I was only insulting BB, not RV.  Personally I don't think I've had any contact with RV.  Mind you, I haven't really had much contact with BB either, just enough to form an opinion tho ;-)

@tomas

I can't remember anything saying that BBRV were trying to gain the Amiga name just to screw over Amiga Inc.



@all

I haven't changed my opinion of BB, but after today he's gone up slightly in my opinion, he's been quite courteous and helpfull - he even fulfilled a request I made that I bet he wasn't expecting.  Which I must say thanks for (even if I still don't agree with some things).

I'm still not happy with some things that BB has done, but I might change my tune in future, who knows?  There might be a better chance that I'll post a *good* joke in future! :-P

That reminds me, where's that Groaner's Reloaded thread?.........

[takemehomegrandma]

Wayne wrote:

Hell, if I had $335 (or 670 considering it's software), I'd have tried to register it myself....

Me too, just for the laughs! :-D

I think people are taking this a little too serious! Don't read too much into this, will ya?

But then, you never know ... ;-)

[Vincent]

Wayne wrote:

Hell, if I had $335 (or 670 considering it's software), I'd have tried to register it myself....

I think we would've all tried that :-D

[downix]

Hey, could I get one of those boxes?  My A1200's been dead due to a set of bad ROM's.

[ghauber]

@bbrv

I must confess, I am rather appalled at your bad-faith "joke" registration of the Amiga trademark, and the glee with which you constantly make fun of Amiga Inc.  Here's a fact for you: Amiga Inc is *not* dead, and yes, you may not agree with everything they do, but the right thing to do in this circumstance would be to graciously let Bill McEwen sort this issue out with regards to their *own* trademark.

@Wayne

You justify this with the statement that the mark is "officially abandoned" like that justifies it.  Have you thought that something like this can be an easy oversight for a company?  You are blinded by your hatred of Amiga Inc and your desire to see them fail.  Why can't you just let this kind of stuff rest?

@everyone

Well, this is aimed at those mostly who take glee in wanting to see Amiga Inc brought down - there are a lot of people (like myself, for instance) who have invested a *lot* in terms of time, effort (and for some, money) in developing for the Amiga DE, and your attacks on Amiga Inc are therefore also attacks on us.  Please, just get a life and let this be. If you're not interested in the Amiga DE, that's fine, go buy a Pegasos/Morphos machine.  Why you have to be so personal about all this is totally beyond me.

Regards,

Gabriel