Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?

[Piru]

Music Television News

Never realized I'd live to see the day they play chipmusic (or SID music) on MTV... :-P

[koaftder]

Piru wrote:
Music Television News

Never realized I'd live to see the day they play chipmusic (or SID music) on MTV... :-P

Oh my god! It's been 8 years since I heard them play a music video and now they are playing chiptunes. The sky is falling!

[LoadWB]

Timbaland et al are pretty smart not to say anything at this point, provided they (all involved) are not planning on settling amicably.

[Piru]

Timbaland comments the controversy (Warning: This probably will raise your blood pressure)

update: text transcript (for the Youtube impaired)

update2: fixed youtube URL to one without censorship

[CannonFodder]

Piru wrote:
Timbaland comments the controversy (Warning: This probably will raise your blood pressure)

update: text transcript (for the Youtube impaired)

So, other than showing himself up to be a complete twat, he did actually admit he sampled it.

Therefore, I imagine his lawyers will be offering the original composer some poxy amount in sampling fees.

[jkirk]

hmmmm i have never heard of any of the songs he performed or produced(and i listen to that style of music)it is amazing so many people think his stuff is great but relatively unheard on the radio(at least in my neck of the woods).

i really don't think of him as a big deal as others apparently do in the music biz.

[CannonFodder]

jkirk wrote:
hmmmm i have never heard of any of the songs he performed or produced(and i listen to that style of music)it is amazing so many people think his stuff is great but relatively unheard on the radio(at least in my neck of the woods).

i really don't think of him as a big deal as others apparently do in the music biz.

Over here he has the public persona of some bloke who produces crappy popstars when they want to look ¨cool¨.

Hardly in Dre´s calibre!

[Ral-Clan]

update: text transcript (for the Youtube impaired)

Wow....er...."eloquently" argued by Timbaland.  ;-)

[jj]

You probably have heard his stuff, a lot of missy eliiots stuff has been produced by timeberland.

and no he is no where near Dr dre's standard.

How people can generalise about Hip hop or gangsta rap is above me.

Although a man of contridiction( spelling) ,if you listen to a lot of Tupacs tracks, there is a message and something to be understood about life in general and its associated struggles.  The same can be said about DMX also.

There are rappers who only talk about Drugs and killing etc without any real message or hope for the future, Fiddy cent, the game, snoop etc.....

[CannonFodder]

JJ wrote:
You probably have heard his stuff, a lot of missy eliiots stuff has been produced by timeberland.

and no he is no where near Dr dre's standard.

How people can generalise about Hip hop or gangsta rap is above me.

Although a man of contridiction( spelling) ,if you listen to a lot of Tupacs tracks, there is a message and something to be understood about life in general and its associated struggles.  The same can be said about DMX also.

There are rappers who only talk about Drugs and killing etc without any real message or hope for the future, Fiddy cent, the game, snoop etc.....

For me HipHop died when they stopped using breaks.

Which is just about when DnB/Jungle nicely took over. :-)

[CannonFodder]

CannonFodder wrote:

JJ wrote:
You probably have heard his stuff, a lot of missy eliiots stuff has been produced by timeberland.

and no he is no where near Dr dre's standard.

How people can generalise about Hip hop or gangsta rap is above me.

Although a man of contridiction( spelling) ,if you listen to a lot of Tupacs tracks, there is a message and something to be understood about life in general and its associated struggles.  The same can be said about DMX also.

There are rappers who only talk about Drugs and killing etc without any real message or hope for the future, Fiddy cent, the game, snoop etc.....

For me HipHop died when they stopped using breaks.

Which is just about when DnB/Jungle nicely took over. :-)

Edit:

I´ll give Timbaland his dues, he did (IIRC) produce that Try Again track by Aaliyah.

Such a gorgeous filthy bassline. :-D

[jkirk]

i found a listing here and i have heard 3-5 of them. that ain't much.

timbaland produced tracks

How people can generalise about Hip hop or gangsta rap is above me.

human nature
country is generalized as beer and square dancin.
rock is generalized as sex&drug music as in sex,drugs and rocknroll
folk is generalized as being boring
classical is also generalized as being dead composer's music
rap is generalized as not real music meant for gangs

i usually just ignore it and go on. you will either like a style of music or not.

There are rappers who only talk about Drugs and killing etc without any real message or hope for the future, Fiddy cent, the game, snoop etc.....

this is true but i don't listen for a message. i listen for the bass track and rhythm. if it has a great message i like it more but i don't restrict my music to the message contained in the song. tho i prefer 80's and early 90's rap.

[CannonFodder]

this is true but i don't listen for a message. i listen for the bass track and rhythm. if it has a great message i like it more but i don't restrict my music to the message contained in the song. tho i prefer 80's and early 90's rap.

A man of fine tastes! :-D

Did Drum & Bass/Jungle ever makes it´s way over to Georgia?

This is getting OT, but I shall PM you with some recommendations. :-)

[jkirk]

Did Drum & Bass/Jungle ever makes it´s way over to Georgia?

if it did i didn't know it. sometimes here in the states the lesser known styles get lumped into the category that is most similar to it. for example miami bass and technobass gets lumped into hip hop since it is a much larger genre.

[LoadWB]

Maybe he should have listened better to his lawyers.

I am sorry, but the fan-kids will have to take a dive.  First off, it was not "sampled," it was played in its entirety in a song which he claimed was his original creation.  Secondly, his own industry calls this "theft," even though this is incorrect -- most honest professions would call what happened "plagiarism."  He took someone else's work and claimed it as his own.  I guess that this is okay if you are under a deadline to produce an album.

And his argument about what is public domain and what is not simply does not hold water.  Again, his own industry says that if you are unclear as to the status of a piece of work, you should simply steer clear, erring on the side of not stepping over the boundary of the original author's rights.

"What's up" with these guys?  No, Timblahland, what's up with you?  This kind of arrogance alone merits punishment.

[CannonFodder]

LoadWB wrote:

I am sorry, but the fan-kids will have to take a dive.  First off, it was not "sampled," it was played in its entirety in a song which he claimed was his original creation.

I´ll have to disagree on this point.

A sample is a sample, there is no defined ¨industry standard sample lemgth¨. ISO-5AM9L3 perhaps? ;-)