I've screwed up! Can someone help me with the first disk of Escom WB3.1?

[Tomas]

I think the attitute of, you wrote over your disk now go buy another one stinks.

Indeed. And one day all of our disks are gonna go bust.. Floppy disks are not meant to last forever... What do we do then? Trash our amigas because it would be morally wrong to download a backup?

[motorollin]

guru-666 wrote:
Quote:

    kidkoala wrote:
    ok, but who would hypothetically sue me for it now?


Realistically: nobody.


LOL  :laughing:  :juggler:  :insane:

wow so like then we can just copy the hell out of os3.1 by your own words!  

Don't dare to put words in my mouth. I didn't condone piracy in what I said. I just said that in all likelihood there would be no legal repercussions to giving someone a copy of 3.1. I did NOT state that it was right or legal!

guru-666 wrote:
Hell I can donate and transfer my licences to anybody I want, and I own lots of os3.1 licenses! Thats the same thing amiagkit is doing with his stuff or anybody selling the disks on ebay.


It's only the same if you give your original copy to the person to whom you "transfer your license"."


I can make a copy and toss the origional if I want! I still own it untill i give it to sombody else!

True.

guru-666 wrote:
BTW who cares, becasue like I pointed out, every single amiga sold came with the OS, so if you own the box (a1200 or 4000).....

Personally, I agree with this statement. But discussion of piracy (and that is what was discussed) is not allowed *on this site*.

guru-666 wrote:
I have no idea why you even think there is anything about piracy going on..... or where you can official buy this stuff right now...

In this case I don't. But I object to some of the statements you made surrounding legality of distributing software which you don't think is available any more.

guru-666 wrote:
anyway, you don't know who owns os3.1, I do, it's amiga.inc (or so they claim), I don't see them selling it righ now, do you?

It is for sale from Amigakit.

--
moto

[guru-666]

I think there some ppl here that belive that, and other that belive a.inc is the knight in shinning armor that will save the amiga and have another relovution.....
delusions sucks..

BTW, I don't realy care if you guys think I'm clever, and I'm not looking for and worshipers (please no) but I do have two feet right here on the ground.

Nobdy else has mentioned it, but 3.1 also ships with the os3.9 cd.....which you should buy if don't already own it.
Again, I don't think they are amking new ones, but maybe when hell freezes over a.inc will rerelease the 3.9 cd with OS6.

 :hat:

@moto

read your post.....  stop telling me I condone priacy, becasue it dont, for some reason you think I am, but I aint, I don't think you have a grip on the fact that he already owns os3.1!  So same to you, don't tell me that I condone piracy becasu I want to help a brother in need.


os 3.1 maybe for sale at amigakit but I would be willing to give one of mine up for free... no I can't give it to everybody here... sorry I only have a few and it's my pick to give them away to whom ever I want.

[Homer]

guru-666: Enough trolling, let ppl rest.
Finish. No I don't want your OS3.1
I offer you a :pint: and you say its too early (which puts you on a time line somewhere between Japan and the UK), but you do not put any details in your account file.
Why not tell us more about yourself instead of attacking ppl here ? Whats the weather like in XXX How many Amiga users ??

[Bobo68]

kidkoala wrote:
I've managed to owerwrite the first of 6 disks of the Escom WB3.1..pm me please. It's important that it's the Escom version.

You don't need DISK to install OS3.1
Back up your current HD installation and then copy to root directory of another HD
That's all.

[Bobo68]

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[kidkoala]

@bobo68

i didn't have a previous installation, it was the first installation on a new cf-card (the previous hdd was thrown), that's why i needed a new copy of a missing install-disk.

[AmiDude]

As I said in a different thread, its time
for a :pint:

I agree to that! :pint:
 :cheers:
Cheers!
 :lol:

[Ral-Clan]

by kidkoala on 2006/12/15 11:26:44

but on my escom-disks it says "copyright from 1995-2000" or something, doesn't that mean copyright for my disks aren't copyrighted anymore cause escom doesn't own the rights?

I am not a lawyer, but I believe those dates are the dates that the copyright was last renewed.  Once the copyright is renewed, it extends farther into the future than those dates.

Besides, even if the dates on your disk label were the PERIOD of the copyright, the copyright was probably renewed by its holder after 2001.  You would have to look into it to know for sure.

I don't know about software, but for books, music and works of art the copyright lasts something like 50 years....and in other cases it can be renewed indefinitely (like with Disney characters & the character of Sherlock Holmes - it remains with the corporation or estate long after the death of the original creators).  In the case of computer software I'm sure it is retained with who ever buys the rights from the company when it folds.

When you buy a set of disks, a CD, etc. you do not buy rights to the MUSIC/SOFTWARE etc.  You buy a user's liscence.  i.e. you have a LISENCE (the right) to listen, use & make a personal backup of the media in question.  You do NOT own the intellectual material and have NOT bought a lisence to make copies.

If you chuck the original media (i.e. the original discs) I believe you are then throwing away your liscence as well.  You cannot legally retain and use copies or keep a backup.

I realise the above is theoretical, and could never be enforced legally.  But that's the way a court would look at it.

[kidkoala]

in theory also, that means that if you have a set of original disks, and a set of backups. then your original copies oxides or something and the disks no longer works, you can't use your backups cause the originals are not working anymore?

just a thought..

[Ral-Clan]

in theory also, that means that if you have a set of original disks, and a set of backups. then your original copies oxides or something and the disks no longer works, you can't use your backups cause the originals are not working anymore?

No, I think that as long as you possess the physical original disks, you can then still prove you have the legal lisence and can continue to use backups.  I was going to mention that in my original post.  You just need proof of purchase/possession.  That's why you might want to hang onto your originals, even if they are corrupt.

[Tomas]

You do NOT own the intellectual material and have NOT bought a liscence to make copies.

Alot of countries have a law called fair usage or something along these words, which let the user make a copy of his legally bought product. This also extends to for example using hack to defy encryption to be able to lets say play a dvd on linux.

If you chuck the original media (i.e. the original discs) I believe you are then throwing away your liscence as well. You cannot legally retain and use copies or keep a backup.

I think the license is basically the roms when it comes to workbench anyways. The kickstart roms are a part of the OS.

[Ral-Clan]

I think the license is basically the roms when it comes to workbench anyways. The kickstart roms are a part of the OS.

I wonder about this. I think that owning the ROM just gives you the legal right to own a backup image of the firmware contained on the ROM, but not the software on the workbench disks.  They were sold together, but also seperately, remember.

A whole number of OS versions can run on and Amiga with Kickstart 3.1 chips (WB 1.0, 1.2, 2.1 and 3.0 and 3.1).  If I have a KS3.1 A1200 that doesn't give me the right to download the 1.3 software if I have never owned the original disks.  I realise this is a ridiculous example, but I'm just trying to show how the OS copyright isn't necessarily tied to the KS chip.  They could be viewed as seperate things.

Same, if you owned a CDTV which came with KS1.3 chips but not Workbench 1.3, Commodore probably would not have approved of you copying your friend's WB1.3 disks.  So just because you owned a KS1.3 chip didn't give you a automatic entitlement to the OS on disc.

Anyway, all of this is hardly theoretical, pretty much ridiculous nit-picking and in reality sometimes we have to do strange things to get our Amigas running.

[amigakit]

Can I point out that the AmigaOS disks we sell are original, sealed, unused.  They were manufactured by Amiga International themselves.  These are the disks you actually receive:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=177

[guru-666]

very cool amigakit, I love your shop.  Those disk as cool for a collector, keep up the great work!  
somebody ask where I am.... I'm in california, I have way to many amigas, but mainly right now I am working on my 4000 tower.  I move around a bit...anyway i'll update my profile sometime.....
anyhow, peace, I'm not looking to troll, well maybe rouse some of the self-a-pointed copy write enforcers out there!  Some of them are really out of touch!
 :-D  :laughing:

[maffoo]

Tomas wrote:

I think the license is basically the roms when it comes to workbench anyways. The kickstart roms are a part of the OS.

I agree to some extent (ie. IMO if someone has KS3.0 by definition they should have a machine that came with a licence for WB3.0.) However, I don't think it can be that simple, eg. if someone has KS3.1 they don't have an automatic right to download OS3.9.