Elbox Dragon "news"

[Boot_WB]

http://dahoo.untergrund.net/other/az_xvid/

Smaller versions of the vid files.  Thanks to poster on AW.net

I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if the dragon makes it to market - originally announced for January 2005 release, I had totally given up on it.  Now in the "wait and see" camp again, but not banking on it.

[humppa]

Is the above idea possible?

Ideas are always possible.  :-P

[Crumb]

@amigarules2k

Dude, get over it.

what??? Elbox refuses to pay 38Euros to Chris Hodges but they happily charge you a lot of money for Spider, a standard NEC card you could get for 15Euros. With 2 Spider sold they could pay Chris Hodges, but it seems Elbox prefers piracy.

I guess that if somebody posted here how to pirate Spider it would be OK for you too.

Can't you understand why Chris Hodges is angry about Elbox? If Chris Hodges hadn't written Poseidon, Elbox could have not made USB for Mediator real.

Pathethic behaviour from Elbox, a company that likes piracy (this is a fact since they are *pirating* poseidon).

The screwed CGX team, they screwed P96 team, they screwed Chris Hodges, they screwed their own users with code that could wipe their RDBs and there are users defending them.

I simply can't understand why users defend a pirate company and ask honest developers like Chris Hodges to shut up!


BTW, My 060 runs circles around the machine shown in the videos in terms of speed. Just look how slow is that "Dragon" displaying icons.

[countzero]

Crumb wrote:
BTW, My 060 runs circles around the machine shown in the videos in terms of speed. Just look how slow is that "Dragon" displaying icons.

I'ld say it's rather a problem of the filesystem or the IDE/SCSI driver used.

[Boot_WB]

Whilst I am not trying to advocate or condemn Elbox's behaviour over poseidon (or P96 for that matter) I have to point out that there is no evidence to show Elbox has pirated anything.
From watching the vids - yes, there is a usb memory stick, and poseidon is running but so what? They could:
1) Just be using poseidon as a demo version for the limited time.
2) Have 'bought' poseidon second hand (which is clearly allowed in the poseidon license agreement)

I admit both are unlikely, most likely is that they have bought a license under a non-business name.

From the vid I cannot tell which version of Poseidon they are using, or what they are using it for. The DVD appears to be playing through the TV card in the dragon (is anyone actually trying to suggest that the DVD is operating through a USB DVD player :roll:). I can't actully see what they are using the poseidon stack for.

As I said, not advocating anyone here, but I see NO EVIDENCE to prove piracy - perhaps enough to suspect in private, but certainly not enough to accuse of in a public forum.

Also, even if they would require a business license (not sure if Chris licenses Poseidon differently to businesses) they could legitimately claim that the dragon is being demo'd by Elbox (business) on a private user's system - thus all software installed on the Amiga system would only require a private user license.

Kudos to Elbox for getting this far with the Dragon - far further than I thought they would. Would like to see them get it to market. That's what this thread is - after all - about.

Strange they haven't updated their website since 1st August though..

[Argus]

If Platon is right and that's a pirated version (who'd know better than he?), Elbox should be bombarded with emails to register Poseidon.  Platon really bailed them out by letting Spider users register; he didn't have to.  The last thing this market needs is another Miami Deluxe fiasco, where pirating so discouraged the developer he up and left the platform entirely.

Kudos to Elbox for making the Dragon work, but they really need to start cooperating with the other developers out there for this platform.  They seem to be the new 'leading edge' Phase 5 of the market; let's hope the desperation of users for  new hardware doesn't go to their heads and they keep everything 'above board'.

[AJCopland]

@platon42

Dude, you deserve to get paid for your work where you've chosen to charge for it so contact Elbox, point out that you can see that they're using it and ask them whether they've paid for it via a non-Elbox name i.e: their own perhaps? Or if they haven't then would they mind paying you for your work. Point out to them that it's visible in the video etc.

@everyone

This doesn't seem to be the right place to be discussing the legal pro's and con's so how about keeping it reasonably near the topic?

/off-topic

As for the board, it's nice to see that they've got working hardware running real Amiga software just as they've said they would (though how late?). It's also nice to see that they've overcome any/enough problems associated with the ColdFire 68k emulation to do so.

I just hope this means that one day there will actually be a hardware release!

Andy

[Piru]

It seems some in this community have very short memory.

refresh here

More:
Security warning: Elbox' usb.device contains RDB trashing code
Security warning: Elbox' pci.library also contains RDB trashing code
Will Dealers still be stocking Elbox Products?

[Darrin]

Piru wrote:
It seems some in this community have very short memory.

refresh here

All I see is Elbox trying to protect the interests of their customers by trying to secure a good price for the stack (and protection against price rises) and and assurance that keyfiles would be easily available and remain that way.

As always, whenever someone dares to actually produce some hardware for the community then the same old faces appear to slag it off and drive them away.  No wonder the Amiga is dead.  Well done - slap yourself on the back and congratulate yourself on a job well done.

[amiga_3k]

Well... I guess this is some serious good news for Classic Amiga. I do hope the Dragon finally reaches the public. There must be a market for it. I mean, people on eBay are paying huge amounts of money (200+ euro on a PicassoIV) on 15 year old hardware just to give their Amiga that little extra power. I'd love to have a quicker 68k-ish processor in my A4000 but they simply are unavailable or way overpriced. So, Elbox, release the board, put a nice price-tag on it and sell it.

[itix]

All I see is Elbox trying to protect the interests of their customers by trying to secure a good price for the stack (and protection against price rises) and and assurance that keyfiles would be easily available and remain that way.

LOL

As always, whenever someone dares to actually produce some hardware for the community then the same old faces appear to slag it off and drive them away. No wonder the Amiga is dead. Well done - slap yourself on the back and congratulate yourself on a job well done.

Please slap yourself and get education.

[Darrin]

itix wrote:

LOL

Not "educated" enough to counter my statement?

Please slap yourself and get education.

Well, as you're not big enough to do it to me yourself...   :roll:

[CLS2086]

Pologne is now part of Europe, so european laws would be applied and B.S.A. can check that quickly...  :rtfm:

[krashan]

Pologne is now part of Europe

Poland is a part of Europe since 10-th century... You probably have messed it with being a member of European Union. :-D

[stopthegop]

@Piru

Security warning: Elbox' pci.library also contains RDB trashing code

That concerns a very old version of pci.library; pre-5.0.  Current version is 6.2.  Same is true with usb.device.  Also, problem described can be avoided by using SFS or PFS instead of standard FFS.  I've not had any problems with mediator's drivers.  Elbox's code is safe, as is their hardware.    

[r-tea]

@ Platon42
Sure, I guess /you/ would start a legal battle over 38 EUR?

Is this only about this single 38EUR licence fee?