Hello. My name is Ryan.

[Lemmink]

Come on guys. You really are hyperpositive like it is the first time that some one steps in tells a "nice" story.

This is like the "Look I have found a way to make lot`s of money without doing much work" things that pop up once in a while. I thought we all got used to it enough to just ignore it.

[Plaz]

Welcome to Amiga.org!
But come on, how can we take your idea seriously when you've admitted it was conceived under the influene?

Like, ya know.... "Dude you can hide your weed in there" :-)

Plaz

[tec68000]

First off, no my family name is not Czerwinski. (I don't know what the significance is in that). I just came here to put up some ideas, that's it. As for Hyperion, I'm not entirely sure that they would be of much help concerning this. Anyways, here  is some of what I have to say.

From my perspective, in its prime, the Amiga was known for being the best computer to use for multimedia production, and games. Today, looking at current "Amiga" projects..I don't see either of those uses put much as a priority. Let's look here for example... To get on an Amiga of some sort.today's options involve the following...

1. Laying down a good chunk of change to track down an old A1200 or A4000, a PPC upgrade board for it, both are quite sluggish by todays's standards, and hunt down a copy of AmigaOS 3.9. In a nutshell, go through a hassle and pay more for a computer and even upgrade parts that were obsolete almost ten years ago.

2. Laying down an even larger chunk of change to get an AmigaOne or Pegasos motherboard, along with MorphOS or AmigaOS4, Which doesn't REALLY have much to use for multimedia production or gaming purposes. Or, in a nutshell...Paying around $700 or more for a system in which hardware specs were obsolete around four years ago. I wanted a Pegasos II, but I just couldn't fork that much out for something that old.

What is really needed, is a complete system, that you can just pull it out of the box, plug it in, and do your thing. Like the Amigas of old back in their day. What else is needed are the groundbreaking capabilites that the Amiga had way back when. We need something that outshines anything else you would ever consider for multimedia production, as well as gaming. It seems to me that the Amiga's focus has been lost over the years. Also, what could definetely help, is a new OS. I don't mean AmigaOS 3.9 or 4 or morphOS, or anything like that. I mean starting off from scratch. Something with a familiar interface of course, but that's it. And why not make it something that a Windows or Mac user would see and wish "Wow, I wish i had that." I've come up with further ideas for that too.

That is what I will tell you for now. There is much more, but I thought I'd give you a small taste of what I was cooking up.

[Lando]

So, erm... your idea is to make something better than what is currently available?

Ok, so go away and do it.  

Go off and design and produce the new hardware that is as groundbreaking as the Amiga was in '85, and then write the new OS from scratch that will make Mac and Windows users say 'Wow'.  Oh, and you could write the Multimedia production software you were talking about too, since until your new computer has sold tens of millions of units, nobody else is going to be bothered to write it for you.

Of course by the time you've done all that (a conservative estimate would be 10 years, assuming you have a kick-ass development team and several hundred million dollars to spend on R&D before you even see 1 cent in revenue), the Mac and Windows machines/OS's are several generations down the line and make your new wonder machine look like a Commodore PET.

But at least then you can come back and tell us about it.  Until then, your 'idea' is nothing.  Sorry, but every man and his dog has 'ideas', it's implementing them that takes skill and vision.

[tec68000]

Lando wrote:
So, erm... your idea is to make something better than what is currently available?

Ok, so go away and do it.  

Go off and design and produce the new hardware that is as groundbreaking as the Amiga was in '85, and then write the new OS from scratch that will make Mac and Windows users say 'Wow'.  Oh, and you could write the Multimedia production software you were talking about too, since until your new computer has sold tens of millions of units, nobody else is going to be bothered to write it for you.

Of course by the time you've done all that (a conservative estimate would be 10 years, assuming you have a kick-ass development team and several hundred million dollars to spend on R&D before you even see 1 cent in revenue), the Mac and Windows machines/OS's are several generations down the line and make your new wonder machine look like a Commodore PET.

But at least then you can come back and tell us about it.  Until then, your 'idea' is nothing.  Sorry, but every man and his dog has 'ideas', it's implementing them that takes skill and vision.

Everything starts with a dream. Tell me what YOU have done to brighten the future for the Amiga?

I've already begun work on the OS. A large amount of work on the new OS has already been done. It's nowhere near complete, but it's nowhere near "nothing". As for a lot of the hardware, there is some currently-existing technology out there that can be utilised in new ways. Hardware production will be the biggest struggle.

If you ever have a dream about doing something great, remind me to piss all over it, in the same fashion you have.

[amigadave]

Hi Ryan,

Don't let the negative attitude of some people piss you off too much.  You are bound to find responses of all kinds here, so just ignore the crap, take any constructive comments and criticsm you get and continue with your dreams.

Not all of us are going to agree with your concepts and ideas, but I for one will defend your right to express them.  

Lando, go read the posting guidlines for this site and get off Ryan's back.  If you want to criticize his ideas, at least wait until he has fully explained them and the work he has already done to make his dream a reality.

[irishmike]

@tec68000

First off, Welcome to our community!

I am very interested in seeing the Amiga make a comeback, however, Apple Macintosh and propritory systems have taken the video industry away from the Amiga, although I am willing to bet that smaller TV stations still use Video Toasters and some smaller school districts for sure.  The problem is that Final Cut Pro is really very good and it will be hard to compete with Apple in this industry.

I think if we could modernize the OS (much like Apple did) then the possibility of revitalizing the platform is very good.  I do think that the "retro" side will remain the retro side, but it would not hurt to have a good UNIX based modern version of AmigaOS that would run on modern hardware!

Too bad none of us has the rights to the software :-(

Anyways, I think that it is good to have a dream!  And I also believe that your positive attitude and opinions should be heard and while some will disagree with your point of view, I think all people's opinion should be treated with respect.  SO please do post your ideas, you never know who might just see it!

[tec68000]

irishmike wrote:
@tec68000

I think if we could modernize the OS (much like Apple did) then the possibility of revitalizing the platform is very good.  I do think that the "retro" side will remain the retro side, but it would not hurt to have a good UNIX based modern version of AmigaOS that would run on modern hardware!

Too bad none of us has the rights to the software :-(

A UNIX-like foundation is one thing I had in mind, and is one thing I have been working on. However, what needs to be done next is the composition of something a bit more sophisticated than X11. The hardware is going to be the real kicker though...(let's just say, some people wouldn't even call it a computer)...Although, to look from a different point of view, what I really have in mind...well PM me and I'll tell you more.

By the way, software rights shouldn't be an issue.

[Matt_H]

@ tec68000

Maybe I can explain the generally cold reaction to your proposal. To tell you the truth, someone comes along here with a brilliant idea just like yours every couple of months. It sounds great on paper until you realize that it has no specifics behind it. Most of these people we never hear from again. So far, only Dennis (of MiniMig fame) and one other developer have managed to produce working prototypes (and they're "just" creating reimplementations of the original Amigas).

Basically, morale is low after years of "wouldn't it be awesome if..." and "this will revolutionize everything" and "here's what Hyperion should do" and "this should be the new Amiga", plus the occasional outright scam. There's even cynicism over announcements from already established professional developers. We've heard it all before with close to no results.

So by all means enjoy the personal enrichment of developing your own system, but be aware that it's probably a lot harder than you initially thought to produce a state-of-the-art system with a one-man operation.

At any rate, please consider staying with the Amiga as a software developer. We could sure as hell use you.

Welcome, and good luck.

[tec68000]

Okay, maybe it will make things easier to swallow for some people if I tell you this..

What I've come up with has very little to do with an actual Amiga of any sort. In short, it's not even an Amiga. Think of it as more Amiga-inspired...but then again, you could also say that it's just as inspired by an Atari ST as well.

So no, I'm not trying to really make a new Amiga. So far, I'm in the beginning stages of piecing together an OS, for something SIMILAR in purpose to what an Amiga was back in the late eighties. Yeah, it would be cool to call it an Amiga, but who really cares what it's called. I have no interest in using a single piece of hardware, or a single line of program code you would find in any incarnation of Amiga. A similar interface, and perhaps the porting of UAE would be the most that it would ever have to do with an Amiga. It would not be Amiga compatible in any way, shape, or form. At the very least, it will all just end up being an advanced UNIX-based operating system that caters to those familiar with an Amiga, but underneath the GUI, it's 100% UNIX.

[Plaz]

Most of us will wish you good luck on any work that could bring any good news to the amiga community. But you have to understand that for years people have been coming to this and other amiga forums with projects, hopes, dreams and vapor that for one reason or another never materialize. The skepticism runs very high in amiga land, and in a few cases it's down right nasty. If you have a good idea, get to work, get it done, and good luck. Spring the good news on us when you have demos to show. Otherwise it might be better to keep the planning stages to yourself just for the sake of your sanity.

Plaz

[HellCoder]

Perhaps the problem with all those individual ideas is that they can't be done all alone. Perhaps a group of fanatiscs with all special talent/skills can form a group and produce something. And this also requires some management.

It all starts with a dream, and the realisation requires time and effort.

If you have an idea, write down your goal and the steps required to get there. It will open the eyes for both pessimists and optimists.  :-D

[Olecranon]

Welcome Ryan..

Are you sure that was a large amount of "Tobacco" you were smoking the day when everything came to you?  :lol:

Seriously though.  Feel free to post your ideas, hopes, and dreams for the Amiga here.  When it comes to a new Amiga, It could be all people will ever have.

[Lemmink]

So no, I'm not trying to really make a new Amiga. So far, I'm in the beginning stages of piecing together an OS, for something SIMILAR in purpose to what an Amiga was back in the late eighties. Yeah, it would be cool to call it an Amiga, but who really cares what it's called. I have no interest in using a single piece of hardware, or a single line of program code you would find in any incarnation of Amiga. A similar interface, and perhaps the porting of UAE would be the most that it would ever have to do with an Amiga. It would not be Amiga compatible in any way, shape, or form. At the very least, it will all just end up being an advanced UNIX-based operating system that caters to those familiar with an Amiga, but underneath the GUI, it's 100% UNIX.

So basically you say that you will write a new UNIXisch OS for the (hoho wild guess) upcoming PS3. It will have nothing to do with Amiga at all apart from the fact that it will just be great. Maybe an UAE if it has to be, but that`s it.
Well this might be nice, this might even work, but it is completely uninteresting to the Amiga community.

You must know some people in the community we are talking about complain that they just can`t stick an old A500 disk into an AOne or Peg and run the old games just off the disk. And here you go an tell that you absolutely can`t use anything at all anymore on the new wondermachine apart maybe from running it on UAE.

Heck you can run UAE on a fridge today, and that hardware has a cool design by defenition.

[Blinx123]

I find it interesting. By the way could you submit some screengrabs of your new OS? Because you said you had a yet working version somewhere.

[Kronos]

O.k. lets put it nall together:

- you are not the authority on all things computer related, such as hardware design and programming,


- that doesn't stop you from claiming to work on an OS, making progress even

- further on you had this to say : "What is really needed, is a complete system, that you can just pull it out of the box,", something we all knew for years, just like most of us knew that it would cost several million $

- you ask for "a start from scratch"-approach, where a completly new OS would be labeled AmigaOS, but actually you don't even want label it Amiga

- you talk about dreams, but forget that those who fullfilled their dreams didn't babble about it, they jsut did is.

- next thing you do is talking about YANO (yet another *nix OS), well o.k. theres plenty of those out there, atleast one even done by someone with a famous Amiga-past. But yet he didn't come around here and made a fool out of himself.


Hmm, did I forget anything ?

Conclusion:

a) you are pulling our legs, and are trying how obvious it can get before even the last Amigian stops swallowing it (also known as the Troika-paradigma).

b) you really believe the stuff you write, in which case I wouldn't be suprised if you'd started babbling bout exekernels and astrology.....