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Offline Dietmar

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2003, 07:00:10 PM »
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certainly, if i had my own OS i would not give the source away! it would put me out of business!!!


Well lets all say goodbye to RedHat/SuSE/Mandrake/Connectiva/SCO then shall we?


What do you mean ? These  companies neither have their own OS nor do they produce hardware.  Nothing to give away, nothing to loose. It's a totally different business model. And yes, we might say goodbye to some of them soon. At least Mandrake is near bancruptcy.
 

  • Guest
Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2003, 07:01:58 PM »
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They are companies with business models based around the legalities of the software they're providing.


I believe Genesi give support for MorphOS for free at the moment.  If it was open source, they'd get money charging for support.  Thats extra revenue on top of what they currently have coming in at the moment.  More profits, helathier company.  How would that make them go bankrupt as someone else mentioned earlier.
 

  • Guest
Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2003, 07:04:29 PM »
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These companies neither have their own OS nor do they produce hardware. Nothing to give away, nothing to loose. It's a totally different business model.


So you think that they don't employ coders?  Think again, most of the major improvements done to Linux in the last few years are due to full-time paid prgrammers who work for the major distro's
 

Offline Dagon

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2003, 08:12:01 PM »
Oh no, not the GPL virus please...
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I actually prefer a real open source license, like the BSD license.

Well it`s not the "real open source" license but a real FREE license. Take the source and do whatever you want, eat it... no limitations (like those that has GPL that makes people reinventing the wheel even for the little things if they want to make some money) only the recognition of the author of the original version as you said.

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It's called market domination. AOS would be dead in the water. People would buy Pegasos boards (which is what Genesi make money off), as they are better/cheaper than A1 boards.

Well why buy a pegasos or an A1 when I can have the same OS on my superior and cheaper PC? I`ll buy an AmigaOne or a Pegasos because it runs my beloved OS, that is the MAIN reason.

It would be stupid for Genesi if they contaminate the MorphOS source code with the GPL virus...
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  • Guest
Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2003, 08:36:01 PM »
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It would be stupid for Genesi if they contaminate the MorphOS source code with the GPL virus...


Genesi currently get :

$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$zero for MorphOS support

If MorphOS was GPL'd (Or some other OSS licence)

Genesi would get

$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$100 per year for MorphOS support (Or whatever they want to charge)

They can chose to support MorphOS on more than one platform, and recieve revenue for each platform.

Why would it be stupid to "contaminate the MorphOS source code with the GPL virus"?
 

Offline blubbe

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2003, 09:03:14 PM »
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Genesi currently get :

$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$zero for MorphOS support

If MorphOS was GPL'd (Or some other OSS licence)

Genesi would get

$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$100 per year for MorphOS support (Or whatever they want to charge)

They can chose to support MorphOS on more than one platform, and recieve revenue for each platform.

Why would it be stupid to "contaminate the MorphOS source code with the GPL virus"?


How about they would get:

o zero for MorphOS
o zero for Pegasos (it gets ported to x86 / teronPX / whatever)
o zero for support (other may give support too, and
many dont need support, as we are not clueless
Windows(R) users.

Now it doesnt have to be as bad as above, but it is
very possible.

Add to this that it would likely kill AOS4 *TOO* :)

Not to mention different flavours of MOS floating around.. URGH!

Lets take AROS instead.. that OS fits your ideas more nicely.
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Offline Siggy

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2003, 09:16:23 PM »
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I believe Genesi give support for MorphOS for free at the moment. If it was open source, they'd get money charging for support. Thats extra revenue on top of what they currently have coming in at the moment. More profits, helathier company. How would that make them go bankrupt as someone else mentioned earlier.


Because you're still counting it as 'extra' revenue, assuming that for some bizzare reason I'd put together a whole new machine based on Genesi hardware -- which would be additional cost for me, and
totally uneeded (as this new GPL version now runs on the hardware I currently have).

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Genesi currently get :

$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$zero for MorphOS support


Because it is currently necessary for me to buy a Pegasos board in order to run
MorphOS -- It doesn't run on other hardware.
GPLing or otherwise Open Sourcing the code will put an end to that very quickly.

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If MorphOS was GPL'd (Or some other OSS licence)

Genesi would get

$zero for MorphOS
$299 for Pegasos
$100 per year for MorphOS support (Or whatever they want to charge)


You're still counting on the fact that people have to buy the hardware - which they no longer have to do.
Also, where do people currently go for support atm - boards, forums and friends.
A more realistic projection for the most of us would be:

$zero for MorphOS - it's now GPL
$zero for Pegasos - I don't need it anymore, because it runs on my existing hardware.
$zero for Support - I'll ask around to get things working, and only call support as a last resort.

From that point of view, their current business model looks a lot smarter.


Siggy.
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  • Guest
Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2003, 09:38:03 PM »
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Lets take AROS instead.. that OS fits your ideas more nicely.


Why buy an A1/Pegwhen I can AROS on x86?

Because it's not PPC.  Why else by a peg/a1?  TheOS is largely irrelevant.
 

Offline Siggy

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2003, 11:21:34 PM »
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mdma wrote:
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Lets take AROS instead.. that OS fits your ideas more nicely.

Why buy an A1/Pegwhen I can AROS on x86?

Take it one step further :-
Why buy a Peg when (GPL)Morphos runs on x86?

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Because it's not PPC.  Why else by a peg/a1?
 


To run MorphOS/Amiga OS4 ? I honestly can't see any other reason. Sure, you could probably run Linux on them - but then (see your argument above) why would I do that when I can run that on x86 hardware?

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TheOS is largely irrelevant.


I respectfully disagree.

Siggy.

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The TV business is uglier than most things.
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Offline iamaboringperson

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2003, 11:35:48 PM »
anyways... :roll:

its the developers choice what they do to morphos, so if they give it away free, or make it open source, or charge $2000 for it - thats for them to decide! not us

so there...
 

  • Guest
Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2003, 12:11:29 AM »
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To run MorphOS/Amiga OS4 ? I honestly can't see any other reason. Sure, you could probably run Linux on them - but then (see your argument above) why would I do that when I can run that on x86 hardware?


The geek factor.  Do you really think anyone but us Amiga geeks will buy the hardware en-masse?

What about Amithlon?  Amithlon on a top end 3Ghz x86 machine wipes the floor with anything eytech/genesi have to offer at native speed.

Anyways, I just got myself CVS access to AROS so I'd better put my money where my mouth is (Time being money in this capitalist world! ;-) )
 

Offline Dagon

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2003, 12:55:07 PM »
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To run MorphOS/Amiga OS4 ? I honestly can't see any other reason. Sure, you could probably run Linux on them - but then (see your argument above) why would I do that when I can run that on x86 hardware?

The geek factor. Do you really think anyone but us Amiga geeks will buy the hardware en-masse?

What about Amithlon? Amithlon on a top end 3Ghz x86 machine wipes the floor with anything eytech/genesi have to offer at native speed.


It would be stupid to spend 1000+ EYPO (for a complete system) just to say to your friends.. "hey look I`m a geek hehehe". (typical average linux user)

I`ll buy an AmigaOne or a Pegasos because it runs my beloved OS, that is the only reason that I`ll spend my money on these machines. An no UAE and Amithlon is not an option, they are emulators, not a real computer.

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Anyways, I just got myself CVS access to AROS so I'd better put my money where my mouth is (Time being money in this capitalist world! )


Very nice, I believe very much in Aros, and when it is ready I`ll buy a cheap PC just for it. A dedicated Aros Machine ;-) Aros RULEZ!!

Capitalism RuLeZ :P
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Offline Bodie

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2003, 01:06:16 PM »
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Dagon wrote:
Capitalism RuLeZ :P

 
Damn straight! :-D
 

  • Guest
Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2003, 01:26:53 PM »
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Capitalism RuLeZ :P


Socialism rulez (Well in the UK at the moment)

http://www.labour.org.uk/

 :-D
 

Offline filson

Re: GPL MorphOS?
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2003, 02:38:37 PM »
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mdma wrote:
Why would it be suicide?

Is it suicide for RedHat, SuSE, et al releasing their code? No it isn't.



erhm, the linux guys live from consultancies. RedHat certified engineer bla bla bla kinda stuf. not much in that for MOS.
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