Trying AOS 3.9 ... this is complete garbage!

[SamuraiCrow]

Ok I guess it was introduced in 3.1 but the point is that MUI was designed for 2.04 and doesn't include the reboot command in its installer script.

[Piru]

@SamuraiCrow
True.

The MUI installer does say this though:

"MUI was successfully installed in the drawer

Please reboot your machine before starting any MUI applications."

[MarkAshley]

I believe the MUI installer asks you to reboot before running any MUI applications, but doesn't reboot the machine automatically.

The reason for this is because an "ASSIGN libs: Path:to/mui/ ADD" command is added to the user-startup which allows MUI applications to find the MUI libraries.

I suspect you forgot to reboot after installing so the MUI assign hadn't taken effect yet.

[CHR_ZD]

is there a better browser for this platform? what about mozilla?

[MarkAshley]

I don't think Mozilla is available for AmigaOS, but some body please correct me if I'm wrong. IBrowse is currently favourite I think.

[amigadave]

If you don't have the patience to LEARN about a new and different OS then go back to XP or get a Mac and run OS 10.4.  They are more mature and have thousands of programmers to work on them to make them IDIOT FRIENDLY.  The later Amiga OSes have been developed by a handful of dedicated and talented programmers that have worked for the love of this platform as much or more than any money they might have made from their efforts.  Your complaint is about the program you are trying to load, not the 3.9 OS itself and again, Amiga programs are mostly done by a small group if not just one or two programmers that may, or may not have spent a large amount of time making the installation process IDIOT PROOF.

From your comments, you may not be the type of person that can appreciate what the Amiga is and what it can do.  The Amiga computer of today is not for the masses that have little experience with setting up and tweaking computers to get advanced performance from less resources than multi-gigahertz processors and 1 to 2 gigabytes of RAM that can run the bloated and inefficient operating systems from Microsoft or Apple.

Like the man said, learn about what you are trying to use before you start calling it crap, or we will all just assume that you are the IDIOT I have mentioned above that should stick with XP or Mac OS 10.x

[Flashlab]

@amigadave

Right on!

[CHR_ZD]

Man. I was an Amiga user at the end of eighties and early nineties. I know what an Amiga is. I can say for sure that this OS 3.9 doesn't deliver any significant improvement over the WB 1.3 . As for the OSes to be "idiot friendly" you are completely wrong. Go study some ITC theory. If you think OSes have to be obscure and user unfriendly you have lost. This is the usual crap talking by people who think they are cool because they know how to run some tricky programs (not different from Linux users). Well, no, you are not cool. If the OS is not user friendly it means people who developed it must change their hobby/work to something which has less impact on other people. Eg. cooking an egg or something

[Linchpin]

@CHR_ZD.

This OS is totally garbage.

Talk about an opening phrase! I dont think your going to get any quality of help here if you start your question by bad mouthing an OS that a lot of people here spend a lot of time both using / developing for. If i was you, and say, i wanted some help on a certain subject, i would think with more care before asking my question.

[CHR_ZD]

I was not asking questions. I was just stating the OS is garbage cause infact it is. If you think you can compete in todays market with this kind of OS you have lost completely.

[Linchpin]

Please, lets not turn this into a flame war or your thread will be locked. Amiga Os3.9, running on hardware from the 1990's, compete with modern OS? Depends. What do YOU want the OS to do? If your finding the OS cannot meet your demands, then use Windows XP. Or infact, try Windows95, that was written closer to the Amiga OS3.9 date, and lets see what happens. Most people use the amiga as a hobbyist machine, and a lot also have a modern day PC as a day-to-day computer. Remember how old the hardware/software is that your using. You can always wait for Amiga OS4.0 if you do want a more modern day amiga. A lot of amiga users are

- edit

And to clarify,

look. I installed the MUI thing. It did all alone so what am I supposed to do?

You are asking questions.

[doctorq]

@CHR_ZD

If you think OS3.9 has to compete with modern OSes, then you have a screw loose somewhere....

[Flashlab]

You are running Winuae: you can run any Amiga config you like...

If you like WB1.3 better; run that!
You say you don't need the features of the horrible OS3.9 then nobody is forcing you to. Just do the things you used to do in WB1.3 when you still had an Amiga.

But I do have to give it to:
The agressive tone of your posts does get you a lot of replies to your topic  :lol:

[KThunder]

every single os has different install issues and every single one can have problems including programs not running as expected or at all.
i can understand your frustration. it would be great if there truely was a single click installation that would work 100% of the time and be flawless on any hardware setup. if you have installed windowsxp on as many machines as i have you would know that it doesnt work that way. same deal with linux or beos or even mac os.
coming to a machine enthusiast site not to ask how soething works or for help but to just bad mouth the machine is pretty rough. my older brother was trying to install windowsxp just a little while ago and was so pissed off he said he was going to throw the entire machine out ($1800) custom case pcix everything $300 video card etc.) i calmed him down and we got it installed properly with advice over the phone.
with advice over the forum we could help you.
even though you said some pretty harsh stuff some of us did

Everyone in this thread needs to calm down a bit.  

While I think the approach used by CHR_ZD is a bit improper, he does have some very valid points.  OS 3.9, and presumably 4.0 can no longer be considered "user friendly" unless you are in fact willing to dedicate years of your life to learning the little eccentricities that make it special.  



Every other modern OS, including Linux, now include most of the software you'll need, in an auto-install point and click fashion, right on the CD.   AmigaOS is still just AmigaOS and if you want to actually do anything with it, you have to go through the same crap tribal ritual CHR_ZD did, trying to install 3 different programs just to get one damned thing to work.

I know my words and opinion won't be popular with most of the purehards here, but the original poster does have his points.  The fact that 4.x still requires stupid crap like MUI (or whatever it's competitor was) rather than having it built into the OS as a standard for all developers to code to is (IMHO) ... well, the term pathetic comes to mind.  

I might have understood it if OS4 was a direct port that was available to the public in 2001, but NOT after 5 years of development.  I'm not trying to slam anyone here, so don't get your panties in a wad, I'm just pointing out facts.  Hell, BeOS, Mac OSX, or even Windows XP didn't take 5 years to write and it still had publicly available and good hardware around when it did.



Now...  On the other hand, people like Amigadave have a point, in that AmigaOS isn't a modern OS.  It requires you to actually sit and wade through the now-obfuscated process to get even basic s*it to work.  If you're not open minded, learning AmigaOS is incredibly frustrating and a real pain in the ass.  If you are open minded, it comes easily.

However, expecting an Operating system from 1985 (or even OS 3.9's 1998/99) to work as flawlessly and user friendly as Windows XP and MacOSX is quite unrealistic.  If you want to learn it, cool.  If not, cool.  Your choice.

Wayne

[CHR_ZD]

By my understanding OS4 which has to be released yet will not fix these issues and won't be user friendly at all. I don't think it's a machine related problem but software related. And yes, I am telling you, this kind of OS can't compete on todays markets so if the OS4 will not be a total different story it will be a big flop from the beginning. (As it will be anyway since noone is going to change his modern PC with an overpriced amiga which can't even run a decent browser