Which is better? OS 4 or Morph OS . . .

[Doobrey]

x56h34 wrote:
Who is the better programmer? Karlos or Piru? :-P

It'll be the one with the biggest beard, bad personal hygiene and no girlie.

And looking at Piru's avatar, he's not old enough to grow a beard or date  ;-)

[Karlos]

:roflmao:

@Doobrey

Interesting argument. However, the unshaven soapdodger genus of programmer belongs to the era of procedural programming. Those of us that subscribe to the more recent OO paradigm prefer cleanliness ;-)

Whilst I'm not going to comment on the "better programmer" thing, I don't originally come from an AmigaOS coding background and I think it is perfectly fair to say that Harry's knowledge of AmigaOS specific coding is more extensive than mine.

[x56h34]

@Karlos:

Are you saying that Piru likes coding for AmigaOS?

OK, I'll stop now. :-)

[Karlos]

Darth_X wrote:
If OS4 and MorphOS were equal, then what would be a deciding factor? The community behind each platform? Industry recognition?

If they were equal, would there really be a deciding factor? Equality implies they'd run the same software on the same range of hardware. It would be entirely down to personal taste.

[SamuraiCrow]

MorphOS with a Linux dual-boot is equivalent to the not-yet-released AmigaOS 4 except that AOS 4 will never support fork(). :-P

[Waccoon]

I think this subject needs to be narrowed down a bit.  So far, people seem to be interested in the maturity of the technology (which is rather ironic), but not much has been said about usability, capability, overall features, or just the fun factor.  The A1000 had a solid OS architecture for its day, but I don't think a lot of people bought them so they could program libraries all day.  ;-)

Also, I wonder how many people have actually used both AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS so a fair comparrison can be made.

Me, I finally bought a Mac mini (in transit) to accompany my Windows and Linux systems.  I'm afraid the word "Amiga" is merely a memory.

[Darth_X]

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Also, I wonder how many people have actually used both AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS so a fair comparrison can be made.

Why not ask someone who owns both? :-D

[Acill]

While I dont own OS4 or an A1 I have used both OS4 and MorphOS quite a bit. I have a close friend that uses the latest pre of OS4 on an A1 Micro and I get to use it all the time. To me MorphOS feels more like the Amiga I grew up with and had all the way up to the release of the Pegasos II. OS4 looks like it, but just doesnt "feel" the same to me. Its hard to say exactly what I am talking about here, but even he feels the same way, though he like OS4 a lot more. I joke that he only likes it because he has a lot more money spent to get it then I have in my Pegasos. (mind you I did sell off a loaded A3000 to get the Pegasos)

[Edpon]

Ok Karlos and Piru, here's the second part of my question, since you two seem to be Amiga Tech Gods - Can you have both OS's on one system, the way you can on a PC? My main reason for asking this question to begin with, was that I'm totally undecided on which system I want to have; since I want to be able to use all my past Amiga games, and want to see what Amiga has in store for the future. I want to support Amiga as much as possible, mainly because I'd love to see it make a grand re-entry into the mainstream computer scene.  Winblows and Mac's have dominated for too long, and need to be humbeled by the computer that never dies !  Here's a third part of my question - What OS will support the GREATEST range of standard computers parts, ie - CD-Roms/DVD-Roms, memory, sound cards, etc. ?

Ed
 :-D

[Karlos]

@Edpon

Well, Piru and I were engaged in a different discussion really that was an offshoot of an implementation difference between the two.

You can run both on one machine (not concurrently), a classic machine equipped with a PPC card and an RTG card can run versions of both OS's. I see no reason why you cant have multiple bootable partitions. I myself have OS3.1, 3.5, 3.9 and 4.0 on my A1200T. Adding one more for MOS shouldn't exactly be rocket science.

However, OS4 for BPPC/CSPPC is currently not available outside the betatester group. Conversely, MOS for CSPPC/BPPC is available for download.

I don't expect to see OS4 running on Peg or MOS running on A1 anytime soon (a lot of nasty politics, in fighting etc has gotten us into this situation), which is a shame since these machines are a lot more powerful than their classic counterparts.

Hardware support, for both systems, is understandably a lot narrower than it is for PC. Ultimately this is dominated by driver availability. Some hardware vendors (eg nVidia) take a proprietry view of this issue, so don't expect to see support for the HW anytime soon.

If you are undecided your best bet is to try to attend any local shows etc where you might have the opportunity to try them both in order to make up your mind.

[Acill]

If you or anyone is in the San Diego area I would be more then happy to show you MorphOS on a Pegasos II machine. Just let me know. I am home most nights and weekends.

[redfox]

@Edpon

I only own one of these systems, and I have never seen the other in operation, so I can't compare OS 4 to Morph OS.

My old Amiga is an Amiga 2000HD e/w 68000 CPU running OS 3.1, so my old software is strictly 68K software.

My micro-AmigaOne is running Amiga OS 4 prerelease update 3 (I'm not a beta tester, so I don't have access to the latest beta OS 4).

Under OS 4, I use AWeb APL Lite (PPC) for browsing the net.

After tweeking prefs, I can run the following 68K programs directly under OS 4: FinalWriter97, AmigaVision, Personal Paint 7.

I found that most of my other software runs fine under the Amiga OS 4 version of E-UAE.  So, for example, I can launch E-UAE and then run Shanghai by Activision, Inc.  Still need to tweek sound a bit for MegaBall.

I have not tried Lemmings yet.

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redfox

[AmigaMance]

 I can't comment which OS is better since i have an Amiga 1200 and i have only tried MOS. Imho the biggest weakness of MOS is its desktop, Ambient. Workbench 3 (with mcp installed) is much more pleasant and productive enviroment for me, even if it looks uglier. I don't care about that.
 I have 2 speed related questions:
Which OS is generally faster? and
Which has the fastest 68k emulation?

[Piru]

@AmigaMance
You could run Workbench on MOS, if you prefer it over Ambient, see AmigaWBOnPegasos.readme

Which OS is generally faster?

I haven't seen reliable benchmarking done on the identical hardware, so I can't comment that part. If run on their native systems Pegasos II and AmigaONE, MorphOS and Pegasos II win for sure, since Pegasos II with G4 is faster than any AmigaONE available.

Which has the fastest 68k emulation?

To my knowlege only MorphOS has transparent JIT compiler available for general public. So, MorphOS 68k emulation is faster.

[Piru]

@Edpon

I have to admit, the best fit for your description would be WinUAE.

[boing]

Maybe the better question is this:

Is there a way to run OS4 and MorphOS on the same box?  By hook or by crook.  I don't give a darn about bending the rules.