Adf to real amiga disk

[alx]

you can copy perfect Amiga floppies on a windows machine.

Sadly not.  It's the way the Amiga floppy controller allowed far more control than the PC one.  You can now get Amiga disks to ADF using a program called Disk2FDI - you need two floppy drives, though.

I made some pictures of all the stuff i bought for only €25 (that's around $25):

-edit: it seems that it's not working-

Klik on this url and after that, you should be able to watch the pictures

http://hosting3.downloaden.com/vknet/

http://hosting3.downloaden.com/vknet/foto/bewerkt_amiga1.jpg
http://hosting3.downloaden.com/vknet/foto/bewerkt_amiga2.jpg
http://hosting3.downloaden.com/vknet/foto/bewerkt_amiga3.jpg
http://hosting3.downloaden.com/vknet/foto/bewerkt_amiga4.jpg

[alx]

Nice deal!

What are  the disks to the right?  Even if you havn't got the actual WB disk, have you tried seeing whether any of them boot to a WB?  As long as they're not games, there's a chance they could, and then you can go from there.

i opened the external floppy disk, it's a chinon FX-354

and on this page there is some info about this device:
http://www.zimmers.net/cbmpics/damigas.html

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"The 1011 came along later with a sleek new look and lacking the 1010's pass-through port. It also contained a custom-wired Chinon 354 mechanism unlike the 1010. However, it did utilize the same 23 pin Amiga floppy port."
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So it seems to be a amiga floppy disk

alx wrote:
Nice deal!

What are  the disks to the right?  Even if you havn't got the actual WB disk, have you tried seeing whether any of them boot to a WB?  As long as they're not games, there's a chance they could, and then you can go from there.

I haven't tried al floppy's, only a few that contained the message "system disk" etc on the sticker. But those disks didn't contain a WB.

That monitor that you see is not 100% too, there is something loose in it, you have to hit it a few times to make it work and it failes a lot. So i haven't got a screen for my amiga's yet

I do have enought joy sticks hehehe, 8 joysticks, 3 mouses, a tv tuner, 3 amiga's, 3 power supplies, external floppy disk, monitor with SCART and lot's of floppys

so, it was a good deal

Now i have to find out if a disk contains WB, how can i recognise a WB in a program / game?

[Piru]

Grrr, just what gives that we can't overcome this HWare thing ?

The PC floppy controller can't write continous track. Amiga floppy has full tracks and only gaps between them. PC floppy controller writes gaps to each track (9 normally).

See the (simplefied) picture below for rough idea:

(NOTE: PC left, Amiga right. The amiga tracks don't start & end at the same position like in the picture, this is just for representation reasons).

Piru wrote:

Grrr, just what gives that we can't overcome this HWare thing ?

The PC floppy controller can't write continous track. Amiga floppy has full tracks and only gaps between them. PC floppy controller writes gaps to each track (9 normally).

See the (simplefied) picture below for rough idea:

(NOTE: PC left, Amiga right. The amiga tracks don't start & end at the same position like in the picture, this is just for representation reasons).

and an amiga EXTERNAL (parallel) floppy disk can't be connected to a PC?

[alx]

But those disks didn't contain a WB.

Did it just boot up to an application, or did the screen flash colours or something (if so, there's a h/w problem somewhere)

So i haven't got a screen for my amiga's yet

Do you have something called a modulator (I couldn't see one on the pictures).  That allows you to plug an Amiga into the back of a TV (not great display, but it should work).  Otherwise, you might need to get either:

* An old monitor that plugs straight into the back of the Amiga (new one's won't work unless they're multisync - the Amiga's display is only 15Hz)

* An adapter that plugs into the output and gives you SCART

* A modulator

* A Scandoubler (doubles the refresh rate for  newer monitors) or a Flickerfixer (means interlace screens will work well on a modern monitor).

Now i have to find out if a disk contains WB, how can i recognise a WB in a program / game?

When you put in a disk, the display will change.  Give it a while and eventually the Amiga should have booted from the disk.  If you see an Amiga-DOS screen (a big window with some text and a prompt - probably white text on blue background) then you can do some stuff from there.  If you get into a screen with icons, that's Workbench.

and an amiga EXTERNAL (parallel) floppy disk can't be connected to a PC?

Not unless you build you're own controller - there are instructions somewhere on the net for this.

alx wrote:
Did it just boot up to an application, or did the screen flash colours or something (if so, there's a h/w problem somewhere)

>> Amiga showed the floppy with 1.2 on it

Do you have something called a modulator (I couldn't see one on the pictures).  That allows you to plug an Amiga into the back of a TV (not great display, but it should work).  Otherwise, you might need to get either:

* An old monitor that plugs straight into the back of the Amiga (new one's won't work unless they're multisync - the Amiga's display is only 15Hz)

* An adapter that plugs into the output and gives you SCART

* A modulator

* A Scandoubler (doubles the refresh rate for  newer monitors) or a Flickerfixer (means interlace screens will work well on a modern monitor).

>> I have an SCART adapter, so i can plug my amiga to a device with a SCART connector, like most t.v's.

When you put in a disk, the display will change.  Give it a while and eventually the Amiga should have booted from the disk.  If you see an Amiga-DOS screen (a big window with some text and a prompt - probably white text on blue background) then you can do some stuff from there.  If you get into a screen with icons, that's Workbench.

>> Ah, when i have a screen, i'll check all disks, i had a few disks with amigaDOS btw, but it started some application. Can i use those adf2disk programs in amigados?

Not unless you build you're own controller - there are instructions somewhere on the net for this.

Aha, well, that would be to technical for me I'll just hope someone has a WB disk for me

I found out the other amiga has kickstart 2.0 Maybe that would make things easier?

[Piru]

I found out the other amiga has kickstart 2.0 Maybe that would make things easier?

It does if you find Workbench 2.1 disks. Workbench 2.1 come with CrossDOS that allows you to read/write PC 720K disks.

Note: IIRC Workbench 2.0 doesn't have CrossDOS.

[jeffimix]

So its a hardware problem dang.... works for Linux images, which are a different format (RAW) , but of course those are built for X86 floppy devices...

I found a website in holland that's selling AmigaOS 2.1 disks, on the website they say it includes workbench. I mailed them for more info. It's not very expensive, around $15 (AmigaOS 2.1 disks + handbooks).

Another small question, how can i see how much ram there is in my amiga 500? I've read you need at least 1mb ram to copy adf to amiga disk.

[voxel]

Hi :-)

Silly question ? :
How can I transfert the contents of an HardDrive adf file back to a real HardDrive :-?
Or at least mount the adf file on my workbench :-?

Amigalement,

Jean-François.

[voxel]

@° FES :

"how can i see how much ram there is in my amiga 500"

R : open a CLI and type : "avail" (without the quotes) and hit return :-)

Amigalement,
Jean-François.