my AO G4XE will arrive beginning April 2003 :-)

[Darth_X]

Honestly, it should NOT be sold as an AmigaONE until at least it is shipping *with* AmigaOS4.

*emperors new clothes*

I still don't see what makes a generic PPC motherboard without an operating system an Amiga. Its only an Amiga in trademark name.

Hence at this point an Amiga could be a $200 x86 PC running linux for all we care.

[Atheist]

carls wrote:
£800... I don't think that's CHEAP.

.........

I can understand that the manufacturing costs for the A1 is higher than your average PC MoBo but I feel that if the Amiga is going to have chance the prices need to be more competitive.

..........

True, too true, but we're also paying for the R&D. If Eyetech made 25,000 or more boards, the price could probably be half of that.

I look at it 3 ways,

1. I HAVE to have an OS that thinks like I do, allows ME to call the shots, and *I* understand.

2. When and where else will some one/corp CUSTOM build something for YOU; WE'RE SPECIAL!!!!

3. They risked ALOT for a noisy crowd, so we better keep OUR, no I will only speak for myself, MY end of  end of the bargain!!

Don't forget, here in Canada the full version of xp, home edition, is 343.50 Can=147 UKP, by itself.

AmigaOne! Built JUST FOR ME!!!!  (I used the rest of you for leverage! :-P  :-P )

[Kronos]

@Atheist

Häh ??

Amigas were cheap and thats why they sold so good.

In 1990 the A500 costed 800 DM (400 Euro), a starter PC
was around 2000DM (we are talking low-end 286 here).

An A2000 was around 1500DM, but simply offered more than PCs.
And it was very usable for video, something even 10000 DM PCs
couldn't do.

So yes they were cheap.

The price/power factor for the AA-Amigas was in about the same
region as PCs of that time, and thats why they sold far worse
than the OCS-ones.

"SIMM-Sockets" ?
What kind of sockets are you talking about ?
Before 1989 everybody was using DRAM in DIL-packs, just
like the ones soldered onto the OCS-mobos.
Than there was ZIP-packs (used in the A3k) and SIPPs (used
on some Z2-cards), but try to find some of those today.
Later came the first 8(9) bit SIMMS, followed by PS/2 (FP or EDO)
and now DIMMs (SDR or DDR).

Those standarts only live for a very short period of time.


And something I will never understand:
Why does everybody want that OCS/AA-emu ?
What SW is out there that wouldn't run in UAE, but on this one ?
(must be AA-only and PPC)
Why not just keep the "real" Amiga for games and such (which will
most likely not run under such an emu) ?

This OS-update is about getting away from that legacy stuff,
not about dragging a dead horse ....

[Atheist]

I just checked at Cloanto.com.

I didn't know they have "limited" AGA support in "Amiga Forever".

It still would be preferable to make an emu based on Hyperions, built in address space code support.

Ack, forgot about needing a Catweasel for A1.

AmigaOne! Amiga Always!

[strobe]

@Tickly

Why not wait for AOS4 to actually be released? It makes no sense to pre-pay for technology, prices are always going down.

Taking the "risk" is pretty stupid considering you could wait until AOS4 is released, you try it, decide if you like it, THEN buy it.

[filson]

@mbilla

lets see some dhrystone benchmarks when you get it.
I have high hopes for the extremely fast context switching Amiga OS promices. And the "independent gui update". There is nothing more anoying than windows locking up when swapping large files (larger than memory buffer)  from disk or even worse, usb flash drives.
Lack of such "features" will be warmly welcomed :-)

strobe wrote:
@Tickly

Why not wait for AOS4 to actually be released? It makes no sense to pre-pay for technology, prices are always going down.

Taking the "risk" is pretty stupid considering you could wait until AOS4 is released, you try it, decide if you like it, THEN buy it.

If nobody buys the motherboard before OS4 comes out, the price won't come down when OS4 comes out.

For me, I'm buying of the hardware now because:

1) I'm a geeky person who wants to play with LinuxPPC and MacOnLinux,

2) I believe buying the hardware supports the people creating stuff I want created.

It is a risk, but I don't believe it to be a stupid risk.  I won't be in financial ruin if my investment in this hardware goes nowhere.

Andrew

[xeron]

So because I'm taking the risk I'm immediately stupid? thanks for the personal insult.

Firstly, I love AmigaOS. I love programming for AmigaOS, i love using AmigaOS, i love tweeking AmigaOS. I want a fast updated PowerPC AmigaOS (or close to), so my options are basically Peg/MorphOS or A1/AmigaOS.

My purchasing decision is based on the published featurelists of the two supposed successors to AmigaOS. Both products are an unknown quantity; Who knows what the "Q-Box" or MorphOS is going to be like?

(Note: I'm not claiming you are automatically a MOS zealot because you think I should wait and see OS4; I know you were just saying why not sit back and wait and see, and I can see the logic of that. I'm just pointing out that either choice is still a somewhat unknown quantity).

if you are sitting back and waiting to see the products, thats fine, and I don't call you stupid because of it.

The fact is the AmigaOS4 project looks really interesting to me, interesting enough for me to take a little financial risk over. Lets face it £800 is a lot of money, but if it ends up that i'm investing in the next betamax, its not going to put me out of house and home!

I want to show support for this project now because its something I really want to see come to fruition.

So please, don't call me stupid because I'm willing to take a little risk on a promising product.

[AmiNTT]

Oh...  I can't wait!  I hope OS4.0 will be ready in time for it to arrive here in Canada.

Forgive my drool...

[duesi]

@carls @Lando I agree..

At the time when somebody makes a nice thread about OS4 is cool and rocks then I will order my AOne...
I have a 4000 and a PC with WinUAE so I wanna be
sure before spending lots of money..

[poweramiga2002]

I must be stupid as well as ive ordered and paid for my A1back in october or is it the fact i know that this is the real thing and the A1 and os4 is a definate future for me and many others that actualy makes us smart because we will be uptodate with the system when the others are just starting out ane we also pave the path for the rest of you to have cheaper A1 computors we will be around for many years to come

so the world may know the amiga is back bigger stronger and faster

[strobe]

@Tickly

The risk is "stupid" because there's no risk/reward. You only have interest in AmigaOS4 and it isn't here yet! You could wait and remove the risk and be rewarded as well.

[poweramiga2002]

strobe

if every body had your attitude there woudent be any chance the amiga would survive its ppl like me that give the companies incentive to fight on

[Rudei]

@poweramiga2002

I agree with you 100%
If everybody "waits and sees" then this will stifle development time further - if Eyetech had no pre-orders, they may think no-one wanted the A1s etc etc

If I`m prepared to take a risk by buying a system that has no completed OS, then thats my choice.

Don`t critise me for it, after it, its my money and frankly I`ll do what the hell I like with it.

[mahen]

@rudei

I disagree : it's not as if Eyetech was essential to the AmigaOS 4. Hyperion is making OS4, for Teron renamed AmigaOne boards imported by Eyetech.

You should rather buy Hyperion games to support directly AmigaOS4.

Well, anyway I respect all the guys who purchased an A1 : they want to support the platform and invest a lot of themselves with a very high risk.

[PulsatingQuasar]

Don`t critise me for it, after it, its my money and frankly I`ll do what the hell I like with it.

Totally agree!!

It's also my money and I will buy a preordered AOne too. AmigaOS 4 will arrive and it will be great.

I don't care what anybody else says because frankly the arguments to make me not buy an AOne (for whatever reason) were not convinsing.