Apple and New Amiga OS4 Compatibility?

[bbrv]

Flamewars are over!

We have to prepare the Trojan Horse!!!

:-D

R&B

[KennyR]

I wonder how long it'll take me to find Achilles' heel.

[strobe]

There is only one good reason why ppl choose a Apple Mac over a PC.
Style,feeling ect...

Bullshit.

Mac are easier to use. Time = money, PCs are therefore expensive. It has nothing to do with style.

[Alkemyst]

Bullshit.

Mac are easier to use. Time = money, PCs are therefore expensive. It has nothing to do with style.

For You it was ease of use bit that dont mean thats the reason for all.

I have used PC's & Macs & i find them just as hard as each other on first encounter.

All thing will become easyer once you get used to each system.

So if on first encounter someone finds both as hard as each other before.

the easy of use will not be the issue at all has they would of not soent enough time with each to decide that.

Looks & eyecandy & style goes a long way.

I only found amiga os to be easy strate from the start.

[Dan]

Mac are easier to use. Time = money, PCs are therefore expensive. It has nothing to do with style.

No mac aren´t easy to use. No shell , throw disks in the trashcan to get them ejected.
windows is no easy to use either, no controölover installations, difficult to configure.

I actually find unix easier to use than both  mac and windows it´s the power of the shell and configuration=editing textfiles that makes me fell in control of the computer not the other way around.

Which programs are most  popular on the platforms
Mac: Photoshop,DTP,videoediting,audioprograms
Windows: Outlook, Office, Explorer, Kazaa, Office, ,Morpheus, Office, Mediaplayer, Office, games ,Office
Linux/Unix: gcc,apache, mysql, javac, perl, pine, mozilla,
Amiga: Deluxe/Personal/Perfect/TV/FX Paint, BarsnPipes, Octamed, Imagine, lightwave, gcc, arexx,  

the explanation is
Macpeople: I´m not running a pc, i´m a creative person
and i cant use a difficult and boring pc. pcs are for boring uncreative people. And macs match the furniture here att our creative music,/video/advertising/graphic studio.
Pcpeople: 1)It´s company policy use windows. 2)You stupid, only a pc can run my pirated unreal tuornament massacre, tomb raider7.0
3)Pcs have the best filesharingprograms(PORN)

Linux/unixpeople: I´m intrested in computers and programming/ we run big webbservers and databases at my company.
Amigapeople: My computer is my hobby and i like to do everything i can with it.

[strobe]

Wow, yea, nothing easier than the shell especially considering every command program has it's own unique syntax.

As for the trash can thing most Mac users just used the key combo to "put away". It still made more sense than guessing when the floppy wasn't in use before jerking it from under the system with a manual eject. Not only that PCs don't even calculate if the files are going to fit in their destination before copying. Brilliant (or as you would probably call it, easier to use).

Of course why anybody is discussing floppies in this day and age is beyond me.

Funny thing about macs these days, they are really a unix system with a "apple" gui on top. The original mac os is almost dead.

[strobe]

If you stick with Carbon apps the Mac OS HI conventions are still intact. In fact in terms of APIs, Mac OS X borrows more from Mac OS than OPENSTEP.

I don't know how that equates to "almost dead"

[AndrewKorn]

bbrv wrote:
Many main characters of the Greek epics and myths were involved in the siege of Troy.  Achilles and Odysseus were only a couple (there was also Ralph, Gerald, Thomas, Frank, Thierry, Nicolas, Bertrand, Sebastien, Nicholas and even Rakesh and Sharwin just to name a few!).

So who gets to be Achilles and die of an arrow in the foot*, and who gets to be Odysseus and spend the next ten years imprisoned in Ogygia? You need to pick a different legend!

Nice story though ;-)

Cheers,

Andrew

*There's some debate as to Achilles' downfall amongst the ancient Greek historians. Whilst most claim that he was killed by an arrow shot by Paris that (with a little help from the god Apollo) pierced his heel, the only part of his body not magically protected from harm, some prefer to claim Achilles took his own life. Given Achilles' aforementioned small area of vulnerability, this would presumably be the earliest historical account of someone fatally shooting themselves in the foot. This may make Achilles a candidate for an extremely posthumous Darwin Award.

[bbrv]

OK Andrew...:-o

You force us to reveal a few more of the astonding details of our secret plan...!

Terms of Disclosure:

1.  You must assist us at GameTeam@phinixi.com and help us bring Sensible Soccer to MorphOS (and the STB).

2.  We need some marketing and communication help...  :-D  Can we talk about?

If you agree, please post here and we will release more "exciting" information...  ;-)

...and thanks anyway!

Raquel and Bill   :-)

[AndrewKorn]

bbrv wrote:

Terms of Disclosure:

1.  You must assist us at GameTeam@phinixi.com and help us bring Sensible Soccer to MorphOS (and the STB).

Oh well, little chance of the disclosure then! Shame, I wanted to hear what happens next -  I always thought that where Homer was concerned the sequel was more fun than episode 1. ;-)

Alas, all Sensible Software's properties were sold on to Codemasters, who seem to have little enough interest developing Sensi Soccer for GBA, let alone any platform that *hasn't* sold 25m or so units. Jon Hare pretty much declared Sensi Soccer dead after the failure of the 3D version and I suspect it would be pretty hard to persuade him otherwise. Besides, he has other fish to fry now...

[bbrv]

OK Andrew, the Community has you to thank alone for bringing these new details to light because even if Sensible Soccer is not available you are helping us communicate (we hope this will continue!)  :-D  ....please note these hints are for Game Play Level ONE!  

First, as Andrew quite ingeniously pointed out Achilles had an ankle problem, but did you know that the tutor of Achilles was?

Phoenix!!!  

:-D  

That is right, join the GameTeam@Phinixi.com through the Phoenix Developer Consortium if you are a Game Developer and you will be privy to the latest details there!  (BTW, Achilles was prone to cross-dressing, but this is claimed to have been a technique of disguise -- anyway file that away for Level THREE).  

Sooooo, Achilles was actually a third-party developer (so to speak)!!!  :-o   Achilles was heavily recruited by the Greeks (whoops, Change #1 in recognition of earlier post by kostas: Greeks = Genesis from now on, OK?  :-)  The Genesis had sent Achilles friend into battle (development) and he had been killed by Hector (mentioned earlier), which is why Achilles killed Hector and why Paris came after Achilles later.  Voila!

As the Illiad is normally listed before the Odyssey, so too the hints about the characters in question? :-)

Odysseus was one of the main suitors of Helen (maybe we will change her name to Raquel  ;-) )  Anyway, he lost out, but he did get to spend seven years on an island with the nymph Calypso, who made him her lover. Hey!   :-P  Anyway, finally Zeus intervened and Odysseus sailed away on a small boat, only to be shipwrecked by another storm (follow that game play ;-) ).  He swam ashore on the island of the Phaeacians, where he was magnificently entertained and then, at long last, escorted home to Ithaca.  But, that is later in the story.  Back to the battle...

Odysseus was the guy who thought of the Trojan horse in the first place!  This was the key to the means by which the Genesis were finally able to take the city of Troy itself. After the death of Achilles, Odysseus and Ajax competed for rights to Achilles' magnificent software, err, that is armor.  Odysseus gave a better speech and got it.  Then it was time to go home...

Odysseus' return from Troy was chronicled in the Odyssey.  It took ten years and was beset by perils and misfortune. He freed his men from the pleasure-giving drugs of the Lotus-Eaters (cool, here we will have a cameo appearance by Cheech and Chong :-)  ), rescued them from the cannibalism of the Cyclopes and the enchantments of Circe. He braved the terrors of the underworld with them, and while in the land of the dead Pluto allowed Thiresias, Odysseus' mother, Ajax and others to give him advice on his next journey. They gave him important advice about the cattle of the sun (which Apollo herded), Scylla and Charybdis and the Sirens. From there on the travels were harder for Odysseus, but they would have been much worse of it wasn't for the help of the dead (errr, developers who we thought were dead).  

OK, we just skimmed over A LOT of material, but as you can see it is a VERY complicated story!!!

Anyway, with this newly acquired knowledge, he steered them past the perils of the Sirens and of Scylla and Charybdis. Unfortunately, he could not save them from their final folly, however, when they violated divine commandments by slaughtering and eating the cattle of the sun-god (oh no, bad hair day coming!). As a result of this rash act, Odysseus' ship was destroyed by a thunderbolt, and only Odysseus himself survived (whew, I was thinking of playing this role!).  Of course, in our story the good ship Lollypop does not get destroyed if the right choices are made!

....have to stop for now, but will be back later to have a discussion about Darwin...:-)

Best regards,

Raquel and Bill   :-)

[olegil]

Don't you guys have any work to do? :-)

[AndrewKorn]

bbrv wrote:

Odysseus was one of the main suitors of Helen (maybe we will change her name to Raquel  ;-) )  

Oh? So who gets to play Odysseus' wife Penelope? Raquel may get jealous!

Anyway, with this newly acquired knowledge, he steered them past the perils of the Sirens and of Scylla and Charybdis. Unfortunately, he could not save them from their final folly, however, when they violated divine commandments by slaughtering and eating the cattle of the sun-god (oh no, bad hair day coming!). As a result of this rash act, Odysseus' ship was destroyed by a thunderbolt, and only Odysseus himself survived (whew, I was thinking of playing this role!).  Of course, in our story the good ship Lollypop does not get destroyed if the right choices are made!

Ah but Odysseus had angered Poseidon by poking the sea-god's son in the eye with a sharp stick (a particularly mean trick as said individual, being a cyclops, was rather under-endowed in the eye department). Thus Poseidon felt it necessary to shipwreck Odysseus at every opportunity. This sort of thing is of course very bad for gameplay. Fortunately for Odysseus Athene, having little else to do, thought it would be fun to help him get home, and with Zeus' agreement sets about helping him.

Thus we are introduced to the fundamental Homeric notion that we miserable mortals are no more than the playthings of gods - yes, the high score table is rigged.

Odysseus does indeed get home, but not without losing his entire crew - twice over, to boot. What's more, the poor Phaeacians, who out of the goodness of their hearts give him a ship to get home, have thier magnificent city encircled by a ring of tall mountains for their pains.  Yes, it's our old friend Poseidon up to his tricks again.

 If we can learn anything from the Odyssey, it's that if you ever see Odysseus coming ashore on your Island,  pretend you're not at home. Don't even lend him some sugar if he asks in a neighbourly fashion, you're liable to seriously piss off a major deity.

All in all,  I think you should look for another role to play, Bill.  ;-)

[AmiGR]

> MOS userversion only comes with the Peg.

Well, developers and some beta-testers got the
"user version" on their PUP boards.

Mac are easier to use. Time = money, PCs are therefore expensive. It has nothing to do with style.

see but thats part of 'style' or 'emotion' ....

but since you use the term 'Time' why dont we discuss 'speed' wich directly relates to time... for me Lightwave on a macintrash would be pretty slow and its an 'identical' app ... so I'd choose the PC wich is faster.