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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #59 from previous page: February 17, 2003, 02:06:37 PM »
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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2003, 02:22:06 PM »
>What Happened to ACM (Amiga Component Model)
>and the advanced Amiga Audio API? If you check
> the AOS4 features list, these things are missing!

Perhaps that was meant as a joke.

Surely everybody knows that those were meant to be AmigaDE features and then later to be used in some (much later) AmigaOS release.

Some time ago I read that the developer of the AmigaDE audio system no longer works for AI, so no hope for improvements on that area.
 

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2003, 02:24:10 PM »
@HMetal

You're in Canada now too? :-D


I forget.. are you a Phoenix Developer Consortium member?




 

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2003, 02:36:29 PM »
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Perhaps that was meant as a joke.


Nope. No joke. I am serious. I want know what happened.

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Surely everybody knows that those were meant to be AmigaDE features and then later to be used in some (much later) AmigaOS release.


Yes. I know. However, would not much of the prototyping for this system be coded in C? Note that C could be compiled into TAO/DE with a special compiler.

In the same respect, the C source could be recompiled and used in AmigaOS4 by Hyperion.



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Some time ago I read that the developer of the AmigaDE audio system no longer works for AI, so no hope for improvements on that area.


Right. And from what I heard the system was completed.. so where is it?

You don't throw away a years worth of development work on *important* components of the operating system do you?

That's purely idiotic!





 

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2003, 02:41:49 PM »
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Finally! This waiting game has been killing me  . Any news is better than no news, even if it is bad news...  


Ha! I used to feel that way, but now 'bad news' is NOT acceptable.   Enough bad news, there is another camp, Genesi, that knows how to deliver product.

Fact, is, even if its good news, its still just news, and not delivered product.

It's also like the t-shirt news last month....more, hey we'll get to it soon....-everyone breathes a big sigh of relief- (but now its february and still no t-shirts).

Naaa.....to be honest, good news bad news or no news.....its all more of the same.

Product delivery is the only thing thats important now.

If a pegasos was available today at $299, I'd buy one, and be officially commited to the other side.  Of course, since that itself is only an announcement and not something I can actually do (yet)....I will be forced to remain without an actual side to advocate for a while longer...

but I will try to give one of these companies my money fairly soon, and I doubt it will be Amiga, Inc.
 

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2003, 09:20:31 PM »
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Could you ask fleecy a question for me?


You can ask him yourself. His email address is on the corporate website.

If you are curtious, you might get an answer.

But you might not like the answer.

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #65 on: February 17, 2003, 11:12:00 PM »
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@HMetal

You're in Canada now too? :-D

I forget.. are you a Phoenix Developer Consortium member?


I have always been in Canada and, yes I am a Phoenix member with a signed Phinixi NDA, though they don't treat me like one. I guess it's because I work for "the competition."  :-D
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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2003, 11:19:09 PM »
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Nope. No joke. I am serious. I want know what happened.


ACM and the other AmigaDE components were never intended for AmigaOS4.0.

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Yes. I know. However, would not much of the prototyping for this system be coded in C? Note that C could be compiled into TAO/DE with a special compiler.


No, these services and features are coded in VP as far as I know, not C or any other language.

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Right. And from what I heard the system was completed.. so where is it?


You surely don't believe that because one developer has left or went on to other projects, that the finished product/project cannot be improved by another, do you?  It's simply not true.  And, in my most humble opinion, if indeed it is finished (which I cannot comment on, so don't ask me), then you will see it when the whole set of Amiga components and enhancements to AmigaDE/Anywhere is released.
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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #67 on: February 17, 2003, 11:59:40 PM »
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I have always been in Canada

cool.

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yes I am a Phoenix member with a signed Phinixi NDA, though they don't treat me like one. I guess it's because I work for "the competition


A lot of 'trust' was damaged by AmigaInc's movements.





I thought Genesi was the 'competition' ?  :-D




 

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2003, 12:36:50 AM »
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No, these services and features are coded in VP as far as I know, not C or any other language


That would Not be good. A quick look at TAO's website...TAO intent

"intent is a binary portable platform, independent of programming language, operating system and processor, so the content, which can be written in C, C++,"...


Developers with vast experience in C/C++, but little knowledge of intent, would be wise to first prototype your application in C/C++, then later if needed optimise it for  VP asm.



Check out this 'Made with Intent' website...

 

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2003, 01:18:25 AM »
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tony: better late than never , is a word we all want to hear soon , i am not a blind follower but i will wait for os4 and my a1xe800.

Well, you and Tony can start looking forward to playing with the A1XE - it is running very nicely :-D
Actually it is this board that I am using to post right now - using SuSE PPC 7.3 and Opera 6.11 :-P
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It runs very nice :-P
 

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2003, 01:29:06 AM »
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tony: better late than never , is a word we all want to hear soon , i am not a blind follower but i will wait for os4 and my a1xe800.

Well, you and Tony can start looking forward to playing with the A1XE - it is running very nicely :-D
Actually it is this board that I am using to post right now - using SuSE PPC 7.3 and Opera 6.11 :-P


Details, details man! Give us details! Give a small review if possible :-) .
 

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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2003, 01:40:16 AM »
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Details, details man! Give us details! Give a small review if possible .

Well, I did post a small benchmark here :-D
The G4 is definitely showing some muscle and that is even without altivec support in dnetc (which I am working on with some other developers to try to get into the dnetc client)  :-P
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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2003, 07:28:34 AM »
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Details, details man! Give us details! Give a small review if possible .

Well, I did post a small benchmark here :-D
The G4 is definitely showing some muscle and that is even without altivec support in dnetc (which I am working on with some other developers to try to get into the dnetc client)  :-P

Careful with benchmarks since one could show the opposite results.

Refer to OpenSSL benchmarks

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==========================================
iMac G4 800 results
Authored by: watling on Tue, Apr 2 '02 at 07:16PM
sign verify sign/s verify/s
rsa 512 bits 0.0031s 0.0003s 319.7 3297.6
rsa 1024 bits 0.0184s 0.0010s 54.4 991.2
rsa 2048 bits 0.1236s 0.0037s 8.1 268.4
rsa 4096 bits 0.8642s 0.0137s 1.2 72.8
sign verify sign/s verify/s
dsa 512 bits 0.0031s 0.0037s 326.8 270.9
dsa 1024 bits 0.0106s 0.0132s 94.5 75.8
dsa 2048 bits 0.0382s 0.0451s 26.2 22.2
 
==========================================
Celeron 566 running Mandrake Linux 8.2

Authored by: Tarlach on Thu, Dec 12 '02 at 09:30PM
It's depressing to see my cheap Mandrake linux box (566 celeron with 190 mb RAM) beating a G4 800.

sign verify sign/s verify/s
rsa 512 bits 0.0023s 0.0002s 427.5 4915.8
rsa 1024 bits 0.0121s 0.0006s 82.6 1629.2
rsa 2048 bits 0.0729s 0.0021s 13.7 475.8
rsa 4096 bits 0.4886s 0.0074s 2.0 135.8
sign verify sign/s verify/s
dsa 512 bits 0.0021s 0.0026s 473.1 386.1
dsa 1024 bits 0.0061s 0.0075s 163.1 133.5
dsa 2048 bits 0.0208s 0.0255s 48.2 39.3
==========================================


Refer to; For Linux's install-egcs/install-glibc/cross-gcc benchmarks

On personal note; The following benchmarks would be nice.

1. Quake I and II (SW render)
2. 68K AmigaMark 2003.
3. MPEG2 to MPEG4 conversion.

$299 USD** PPC with AmigaOS 4.0(official edition) set-up would be nice.

**About $600 AUD.

Note that OGR benchmarks was also being use for Athlon XP VS Pentium 4 battle royal.

My very old Athlon 1.1Ghz delivers the following;

[Feb 18 09:41:47 UTC] Automatic processor type detection found
                      an AMD K7-4 (Athlon Thunderbird) processor.
[Feb 18 09:41:47 UTC] OGR: using core #0 (GARSP 5.13-A).
[Feb 18 09:42:07 UTC] OGR: Benchmark for core #0 (GARSP 5.13-A)
                      0.00:00:17.18 [8,413,541 nodes/sec]
[Feb 18 09:42:07 UTC] OGR: using core #1 (GARSP 5.13-B).
[Feb 18 09:42:27 UTC] OGR: Benchmark for core #1 (GARSP 5.13-B)
                      0.00:00:17.10 [8,629,686 nodes/sec]

IF I clock it to 1.33Ghz, this old box may beat your Pentium 4 2.4Ghz.

I’ll test it in Athlon XP 1800+/ASUS nForce 2-Deluxe later…    
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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2003, 09:15:32 AM »
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Well, I did post a small benchmark here :-D
The G4 is definitely showing some muscle and that is even without altivec support in dnetc (which I am working on with some other developers to try to get into the dnetc client)  :-P


What do you mean? You're using the 2.9001 client, and OGR calculation has been using AltiVec since 2.8011, and you obviously get "AltiVec enhanced" rates.
AltiVec support for OGR has always been in the PPC Linux client AFAIK, since OGR support was added so late in this neglected branch compared to the x86 and MacOS PPC versions... :(
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Re: Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2003, 10:58:35 AM »
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That would Not be good. A quick look at TAO's website...

TAO intent "intent is a binary portable platform, independent of programming language, operating system and processor, so the content, which can be written in C, C++,"...

Developers with vast experience in C/C++, but little knowledge of intent, would be wise to first prototype your application in C/C++, then later if needed optimise it for VP asm.


Not bad at all, I think.  My impression of the statements above that Tao have made is such that people don't fear that they have to program in VP in order to program in intent - they can get along quite happily in C or C++ if they so desire.

Myself, I program in intent in a mixture of VP assembly and Java.  I have no desire to use C or C++ on the platform.  VP is quite a nice assembly language, especially with all the standard and very handy macros.

Anything written in VP can easily be accessed by programs written in C/C++ anyway, so there's no issue there, either.