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Offline Leo42

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #120 on: March 12, 2003, 08:56:53 PM »
                       Hi,

Good review (and perfect English translation...) but:

Please stop making ugly screenshots :-(

I know MUI prefs could be changed so that it looks better (should I say "less ugly" ?) BUT there will still be the "coherence" problem common to AmigaOS/MorphOS...

MUI gadgets are *limited* to 16 colour MWB palette (you cannot use any brush (8/16/24 bit) as an arrow for example...)...

See this screenshot/customized gui to understand better what I mean:

http://nogfx.free.fr/morphos/gui_problem.png (~350kb)

NOTE: with this grab I'm trying to show how a coherent GUI should look like... You may like it or not but at least it is coherent...

Regards,
Leo.

(I'm not trying to say they did a bad job: until now, MorphOS team did a great job... But before adding shadows to cursors, menus,.. they should correct these GUI/MUI limits...)
 

Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #121 on: March 12, 2003, 10:20:25 PM »
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Spidey wrote:
Hello Amon_Re,

"Full boot time is 23 seconds?"

Well actually it's 25 seconds.
I clocked it a few times afterwards and it was everytime 25 seconds.

But do you find a full bootup of 25 seconds long?
I clocked the time from exact the moment I pushed the power button until harddisk activity was over and I was able to play around on the Ambient screen.

I have to say I've got 512 MB of (registered, ofcourse :-)) Ram and this takes a lot of time of the initial startup.
The whole "post" startup takes about 23 seconds, the software startup is about 2 seconds.

I checked these figures with friends of mine (they own pc's). The fastest one is a friend with WindowsXP. His total booting time is 35 seconds.

Could you give examples of computer systems that have quicker startup times? (ofcourse games consoles don't count :-D).
I honestly don't know of a system that can startup quicker than what I have at home (with my hardware configuration) and that it is available for the consumer market.

Thanks in advance,

Spidey


You were right. Today I clocked my pegasos too. I pressed the timer button at the same time as I pressed the power button, and it took about 25 secs till I could use the system. That includes HD spin up etc. But I must say it looks longer on "paper" than it feels in reality. I hadn't reflected over the hardware init times before (mabye because I'm quite used to my PC (with a lot of SCSI units)). Anyway, it feels quite smooth!

The actual "boot" time (as in booting the OS) was still about 2-3 seconds though ...  :-)
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)
 

Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #122 on: March 12, 2003, 10:24:22 PM »
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Could you give examples of computer systems that have quicker startup times? (ofcourse games consoles don't count ).


I don't feel that my PS2 is particularly fast in booting from a cold start. I haven't clocked it though. But I would not be surprised if the Pegasos will be faster!
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)
 

Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #123 on: March 12, 2003, 10:27:55 PM »
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Amon_Re wrote:
Well, considering the size of MOS (i'd estimate that the OS itself isn't much bigger then 50MB), how long does the hardware init take?

Speaking of hardware init, does the Peg have a POST screen? I don't recall from what i saw @ WOASE.

As for WXP booting in 35secs, that's actually quite fast considering all the stuff XP pulls at booting (and Windows in general), for example, booting in Amithlon on a simple Duron 1.2Ghz from HD takes aprox 45seconds (Excluding Hardware init).

25 seconds certainly isn't long, but i'd like to know just what MOS does while booting :)

Amon_Re


The biggest part of the startup time is the HW init, thats for sure. The actual OS boot does just take about 2-3 seconds.
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)
 

Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #124 on: March 12, 2003, 10:29:09 PM »
@ Leo42

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Please stop making ugly screenshots


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! :-)
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)
 

Offline Spidey

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #125 on: March 12, 2003, 10:35:26 PM »
Hi Warface and HAK,

Unfortunately I don't have enough time to play around with the Peg, I did notice we've got also a sort of toolbar in the Prefs-dir: Pixload.
Or am I wrong?

Oh, in Prefs I see only ModeEdit, CyberGraphX, Pixload-Prefs and AHI.

Spidey
 

Offline Warface

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #126 on: March 12, 2003, 10:49:56 PM »
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Please stop making ugly screenshots


I promised here on amiga.org to make a review when I get my peg. 5 days is not much time if you take into account that I worked 10-12 hours a day - and had only a few hours to play around with my peg. I haven't even touched the default look of the MUI part. Had no time for something like that.
Give me a few months and I'll have a more decent desktop. Besides, today I've managed to start UAE MOS :-)
 

Offline Spidey

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #127 on: March 12, 2003, 10:51:02 PM »
Hello Amon_Re,

"Well, considering the size of MOS (i'd estimate that the OS itself isn't much bigger then 50MB), how long does the hardware init take?"

I checked the latest bootcd and the size of it is around 12 MB

"Speaking of hardware init, does the Peg have a POST screen? I don't recall from what i saw @ WOASE."

Well sort of, you don't see anything going on from the hardware, but I think there is a possibility to turn it on in the BIOS?

"As for WXP booting in 35secs, that's actually quite fast considering all the stuff XP pulls at booting...."

Yes that particular friend is a very happy dude! :-D

"25 seconds certainly isn't long, but i'd like to know just what MOS does while booting :)"

The first 22-23 seconds are reserved for HW startup/check/initialisation. Also a second or so plain waiting like HAK said. The user should have the possibility to push the F9-button to get in the BIOS! :-D
The last seconds are for SW startup.

Perhaps someone knows details??

Spidey
 

Offline Warface

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #128 on: March 12, 2003, 10:54:46 PM »
As to the bootlogo removal: Go to Prefs drawer, then CyberGraphX, then the Tooltypes tab and there BOOTLOGO.

 

Offline Spidey

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #129 on: March 12, 2003, 10:56:01 PM »
Hi Amon_Re,

I too was surprised about the games.
Don't forget about TurboPrint. That one is also part of the package, but it's not finished yet or so?

Yes, I'm certain OS4 will have the same responsetime as MorphOS :-D

Spidey
 

Offline Spidey

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #130 on: March 12, 2003, 11:02:44 PM »
Hi Leo42,

I don't understand your remark. :-?
On that picture I see you aplied one of the skins from the FTP-site. It is ofcourse nice, but...

I'm afraid I'm a bit confused here.

Spidey

ps: did you tried the other skins too? :-)
 

Offline Spidey

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #131 on: March 12, 2003, 11:05:57 PM »
Hi takemehomegrandma,

So your total boottime is around the same as mine?
Didn't you have 256 MB RAM? (I've got 512)
This would mean the startup isn't affected by the amount of memory?????

Yes, SW boot time is quick ;-)

Spidey

 

Offline Spidey

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #132 on: March 12, 2003, 11:10:53 PM »
Wow!

You got UAE running?!
Please help me out with it!!!
I'm asking questions everywhere.

Please see the thread at MorphZone

Thanks in advance!!!

Spidey
 

Offline Spidey

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #133 on: March 12, 2003, 11:15:09 PM »
@Warface

"As to the bootlogo removal: Go to Prefs drawer, then CyberGraphX, then the Tooltypes tab and there BOOTLOGO"

You know, I did see it but didn't think it would actually work!
I'll try this tomorrow.

Spidey
 

Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: My review of Pegasos+MorphOS
« Reply #134 on: March 12, 2003, 11:39:15 PM »
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Spidey wrote:
Hi takemehomegrandma,

So your total boottime is around the same as mine?
Didn't you have 256 MB RAM? (I've got 512)
This would mean the startup isn't affected by the amount of memory?????

Yes, SW boot time is quick ;-)

Spidey



Hi.

I have a 512 MB registered samsung module in mine. A big RAM: disk it is! :-)
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)