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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #74 from previous page: February 06, 2003, 07:20:30 PM »
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DaveP wrote:

Why don't you put your questions to Alan in an e-mail or maybe
even phone Eyetech direct?


This way I only have to copy it once from here  to Amiga-one list. There are many people waiting XE on this board so giving this board release information here would be a good start. I think you too have seen those big threads where people announce what thingies they have purchased to be ready for this board. And If I remember right they were expecting  to have received  those boards by now.

Besides, I don't like talking on non native languages on long distance telephone and taking the risk of misquoting and -understanding. So It's better for all that he answers in here or at A-one mailing list.  And if he decides not to give any answer it's his decision.

My best bet is that we'll hear some exotic excuses next. This A-one making process has been a bit like watching  ST-TNG series  where each episode had it's new 'mysterious particle' causing mishaps and it's handled by some 'random technobabble' .. and then it's all well and forgotten for new episode.  :-P
 

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2003, 05:55:13 AM »
I'm not a fan of either of these boards. However I will say that built-in firewire has consistently been shown in real world tests to be faster than PCI adaptor cards by a significant margin.

I don't know why that is the case, but it has been.

Anyway hopefully better boards will be on the horizon.
 

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #76 on: February 07, 2003, 07:33:03 AM »
@strobe

Can you find some test results for this?

Out of interest I drove down to PC-World yesterday to
see quite what they had to offer in terms of PCI cards, USB peripherals and Firewire peripherals. Mainly because I needed to buy three network cards for my inbound A1XE.

The answer basically is PCI remains popular for the moment, USB2 phenominally popular at the moment and not one Firewire device was in sight ( apart from
a Mac that had firewire ports ). I asked the salesman ( not renowned for being the most clued up people on the planet ) and he happened to be a Mac enthusiast and he basically said if you are buying it for Firewire you are buying it for the wrong reasons because the Firewire support is notoriously unreliable ( data loss??? ), few useful devices support it and "its about as useless as Bluetooth at the moment, until the PC side of the business starts to support it commonly it is a wasted port".
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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #77 on: February 07, 2003, 09:33:28 AM »
Maybe the wait is well worth ;)
what about waiting for all the options to be released and then fully compared?
All of this crap now seems to be pretty useless to me.
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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #78 on: February 07, 2003, 09:46:35 AM »
I think this thread must end with that:

From: http://www.mai.com/sales/index.html

Thank you, Linux developers!
 Based on the many requests from you at and after the LinuxWorld Conference & Expo, we have decided to make the production version Teron systems using the Teron CX design available for purchasing in the targeted price range of around $500.00 each.

 Iif you are interested in purchasing the Teron motherboards and the Boxer Series computers brought to market by our strategic partner, Terra Soft, please visit http://terrasoftsolutions.com/products/boxer/ .

Hope that this can clear all the FUD.
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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2003, 09:54:51 AM »
From Eyetech page:

AmigaOne G3 SE earlybird offer: 580Euros
and yes,that includes Linux distro plus OS4 `enabler kit`
Now seems that the difference in  price only is 80Euros.Let`s wait&see what happens later.
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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2003, 12:16:37 PM »
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I didn't bring up the issues, I brought up lifespan. The chip series that the 686B was a part of is end-of-life. This means eventually they'll run out of parts, and a whole new board will have to be engineered.


Well, you did go on about the DMA problems with the 686, so..... Ok, you get my point.  And so far as being near the products eol, I would hope that new boards will be in design stage that are using the next generation of Artica P and new generation of processors (hopefully the 970) although that may require even another generation of Artica due to bus speeds etc.  I'll not disagree about the eol.  It is pushing it, but if new boards are designed on next gen specs, the XE will phase out anyway.

 
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You are assuming that there will be a lot of HEAT coming off this motherboard, similar to what one would expect from a PC with AMD processor. However, G3 CPUs run a lot cooler, you don't need a giant heat sink and possibly could get away without a fan in some cases.


No, I have a 450MHz G3 in my Mac, so I know how cool/warm they are.  But no matter.  If you stick it into a small cramped space with bad airflow, it will still run warmer than otherwise.  But the main thing is I just hate small micro ATX boards....and that goes for the PC ones too.

And for all of these:

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There is an AMR slot in MAI docs:
http://www.mai.com/products/BRV852R2.0.pdf
 


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I went by the picture of the CX board, as that's the only picture on the website. I assumed that the slot positionings would remain the same. If there is a change in the availibility of the AMR, that is my mistake made on lack of data to the contrary.


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There are some other segments of the Pegasos as well, such as built-in sound, that lend it to being a nicer board.



See new revison of AmigaOne XE here.

Note that there is no AMR slot, the back panel is standard ATX layout making it fit any case, no special backplate required, AND it has built on sound.

It actually is a nice board design now.  Much better than the earlier SE and the previous Mai design.

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2003, 04:13:21 PM »
@ Strobe

There have been a few explinations for this.

The most obvious, however, is the low-overhead for Firewire.  To set up a firewire transfer, you just set the source address and target address and transfer size, and it does the job for you.

PCI, by comparison, is high-overhead.  It uses packet-sized, bus arbitration, and most of all, needs to use the CPU for all of this in most systems.  This means that approximately 20-40% of the clock pulses actually can't be used for the bus transfer.  They are used for the electronic equivelent of bookeeping.

When Firewire says 400 or 800Mbps, they mean you get exactly that for performance, due to the low overhead.  PCI's thuroughput, by comparison, comes in at a grizzly 166Mbps in many northbridge combos.  (do the math here, 33Mhz x 32-bits == 1056 Mbps potential for all devices on the bus combined.  A PCI bus allows up to 4 devices, so 1056/4 == 264 Mbps per PCI slot.  Now, some northbridges do better arbitration, allowing a PCI bus to send more bandwidth to a slot if there are fewer devices then 4, but many don't, so we'll stick to the 264Mbps here, to show a worst-case scenario.  Add in the bus overhead, let's say it only has 20%, so 264Mbps x .8 == 211.2  which is barely faster than the slowest Firewire availible, 200Mbps)
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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2003, 04:18:21 PM »
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No, I have a 450MHz G3 in my Mac, so I know how cool/warm they are. But no matter. If you stick it into a small cramped space with bad airflow, it will still run warmer than otherwise. But the main thing is I just hate small micro ATX boards....and that goes for the PC ones too.


OK, no problem.  I prefer smaller more compact motherboards myself :-D

http://www.soft3.net/pages/amigaone_g4xe_full.php
Oh my... what happened to the AMR slot?

 
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It actually is a nice board design now. Much better than the earlier SE and the previous Mai design.


Its an improvement.. but is the CPU still soldered on or is it socketed??? I can't tell in this picture  :-?
 

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #83 on: February 07, 2003, 04:25:23 PM »
OK, I checked again.. its meg array connector.
 

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #84 on: February 07, 2003, 04:30:50 PM »
Just added a few more photos, including one of a G4-XE mobo and one of a dual 7410 cpu module HERE.
All photos courtesy of Eyetech  :-)

Ciao

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #85 on: February 07, 2003, 05:20:33 PM »
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m3x wrote:
Just added a few more photos, including one of a G4-XE mobo and one of a dual 7410 cpu module HERE.
All photos courtesy of Eyetech  :-)

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WOOT!  

Thanks for the new pics.

Hey, that board had a rom in the socket near the PCI slots.... is that the OS4 license rom??
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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #86 on: February 07, 2003, 05:25:02 PM »
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Oh my... what happened to the AMR slot?


That AMR was removed cause they managed to integrate sound chip to motherboard. When you look at it there are also new audio connectors on back of board.

So yes, it's definitely gone forward. What is needed next is information how well it works in practice this time.  :-P
 

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #87 on: February 08, 2003, 10:54:50 PM »
Regarding the availability of USB versus Firewire devices, they're really not in the same market since USB 2.0 is so damned slow.

USB is a misnomer anyway, it ought to be called USP. You can daisy chain firewire devices even if the devices have differing speeds provided the slower devices are at the end of the chain. You can't do the same with USB without a hub, unless you want the USB 2.0 devices even slower than before.

USB is more of a replacement for the parallel port than say SCSI.

Most high-end peripherals have a firewire version or are only available as firewire. Most drives have both ports.
 

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2003, 02:04:22 PM »
Teron PX Price in the terrasoft store has gone.
It says now "(Price is being revised)"
 

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Re: Teron PX ATX PowerPC motherboard
« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2003, 03:40:25 PM »
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Teron PX Price in the terrasoft store has gone.
It says now "(Price is being revised)"


Well.. knowing this community they have propably received more price inquries (and all kinds of threats) than they are willing to handle.   :-o  

But, it's not big issue as long as those boards are not available at all for wider sales.  And based on Eyetech's non-answers I don't expect them to be around anytime soon.