Latest G4's running at 1.43Hhz

[ksk]

I just wonder when A1XE will be able to use these:
http://www.gigadesigns.com/
or these:
http://www.made4macs.com/products/powerlogix_pmg4.html
or these:
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/cpu_upgrades.html

 :-P

[samface]

Will Apple allow Hyperion access to all the documents needed to write the drivers (or the HAL) for that machine?

When hell freezes over.

However, *maybe* taking a look at the Mac Linux kernel sources could be of help, but I seriously doubt this since they would still have the problem with ensuring the customer of interoperability with the hardware and we would also have the question of who the customer would turn to when running into hardware problems while running AmigaOS4. It's simply not feasible for a professional OS vendor to make official support for hardware they cannot guarantee interoperability with. We should also remember that this hardware is bundled with MacOSX, how many users are seriously willing to pay for another OS when their hardware already has one preinstalled?

The idea to clone their hardware and bundle it with AmigaOS4 is simply a so much better solution to the problem, don't you think? :-P

[Hattig]

To use the 7455 some one would have to make an amiga based upon the ArticaP.

Now we are talking about a reasonably decent PPC chipset in terms of features - in fact that looks like a pretty damn good server chipset with PCI-X and three PCI busses supported.

Must be high pin count though, and probably pretty expensive.

[Jose]

Yeah, I really want to buy one of those with the Articia P. What do you think Eytech?

[JoannaK]

Not to mention totally untested and brand new.  :-o

Good to see PPC get a small speed bump....

[MarkTime]

Eric_Z wrote:

by Helgis75 on 2003/1/28 17:45:23
Holly smoke! This is one hell of an interesting thread! Maybe Eyetech should make a 1.4Ghz G4 a possibility, too? And at a later date, better configurations to the AmigaOne-mobo, like Articia P with 4x AGP, PCI-X, DDR and 2MB L3-cache!!
Anyway, i would love to have a 1.4Ghz G4 in my A1G4XE!!! Yeah, that would be extremely cool!  

The only problem is that the Artica P isn't finished yet there aren't even engineering samples ready yet.
And last of all if enough people don't buy the current A1 thinking that there will be a A2 just around the corner... well guess.

Cool!  I like guessing games  :-D  :-D

Here is my guess, then we would all just have to buy a machine from a company that understands the computer market?  Maybe a pegasos, maybe an Apple....but someone who understands the continuous upgrade cycle?

Did I get close? ;-)

[MarkTime]

samface wrote:

Will Apple allow Hyperion access to all the documents needed to write the drivers (or the HAL) for that machine?

When hell freezes over.

However, *maybe* taking a look at the Mac Linux kernel sources could be of help, but I seriously doubt this since they would still have the problem with ensuring the customer of interoperability with the hardware and we would also have the question of who the customer would turn to when running into hardware problems while running AmigaOS4. It's simply not feasible for a professional OS vendor to make official support for hardware they cannot guarantee interoperability with. We should also remember that this hardware is bundled with MacOSX, how many users are seriously willing to pay for another OS when their hardware already has one preinstalled?

The idea to clone their hardware and bundle it with AmigaOS4 is simply a so much better solution to the problem, don't you think? :-P

Why Linux....Darwin is open source and runs on Macs....[

[Seehund]

jumpship wrote:
Will Apple allow Hyperion access to all the documents needed to write the drivers (or the HAL) for that machine?

Why would Hyperion (or a third party driver/HAL developer) be allowed less access to the docs than anybody else?
In addition, the Linux, *BSD and Darwin/OpenDarwin driver and kernel source and docs is freely available if developer.apple.com and opensource.apple.com should be considered insufficient.

Modern "Jobsified", "New World" Apple hardware is in essence just about as "closed" as, say, a Teron board...

Just don't expect any extra help if you come waving with a license contract in Stevie-boy's face...

[Snuden]

wow! i think ill put off my buying of amigaone until i can get one with THAT!!

I wouldn't. Not that I'm saying that an AmigaOne based on the ArticiaP chipset won't surface one day. I believe it will, but for that to happen Eyetech and others need to know that there are people out there willing to put their money where their mouth is and not just hold on to it and wait for the next even more powerful machine. There will always be a more powerful machine on the horizon, get used to it. There is no point in waiting.

Amiga needs you now!

[BlackMonk]

Modern "Jobsified", "New World" Apple hardware is in essence just about as "closed" as, say, a Teron board...

I was under the impression that BeOS ran into the "no documentation for you" issue and that's one of the reasons it tried to move to x86.  Not so much that Apple locked them out via a closed BIOS but more that they did not provide any documentation.  Not sure how the flash-upgradable current BIOS helps with anything... unless you're trying to say that there are better sources/documents for Apple hardware now?

[MarkTime]

BeOS left the apple platform in the pre-OS X (pre open source Darwin) days....

things are different now.

[Hammer]

Yet another paper launch…
(At least they are following the market leader’s example i.e. Intel’s Pentium3 1GHz paper launch.)

Refer http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-982370.html

Quote from zdnet

"but consumers will have to wait about a month for the high-end model, said Tom Boger, Apple's director of Power Mac Product Marketing."

[MarkTime]

I almost criticized the paper launch of one of the high end model....but Apple usually comes through a month later with the product as announced.

Then again I remember the G4500 fiasco......

there has been a lot of speculation that Apple is 'clocking' these chips...but then again, if its with moto's permission then, its just a redefinition of the chips tolerance....

its all word's...but they don't really have 1.42 ghz chips for sale to other people, that much seems real.

Noone stopping someone from building a quad processor machine out of 1 ghz parts, if someone really wanted to clean apple's clock....

but, you won't get 1.42ghz chips for a while.

[Hammer]

MarkTime wrote:

there has been a lot of speculation that Apple is 'clocking' these chips...but then again, if its with moto's permission then, its just a redefinition of the chips tolerance....
.

IF Apple guarantees (and offer warranties) for those o/c G4s then it’s OK in my POV.

How fast could they clock with an AthlonXP2800+/ Pentium 4@3Ghz class coolers on PPC G4s?

[MarkTime]

How fast could they clock with an AthlonXP2800+/ Pentium 4@3Ghz class coolers on PPC G4s?

I agree wtih you, that as long as apple is warrantying the board, then from the customer perspective, its just fine.

Of course a complaint about the MDD mac's was they were extremely noisy from all the fans.  Apple has addressed that, and they say this round is much quieter...those G4's have heavy duty heat sinks already...and the G4 chips, are exposed chips, so the heatsink is place directly on top....

Moto, lists the current G4 as a 133FSB at 1 ghz.
But in the high end Mac's, they had 166FSB, which supposedly this processor doesn't support, but the math worked out good...25% increase on the FSB and subsequent 25% increase on the processor for 1.25ghz.

Who knows how they are squeezing out the last mhz in the 1.42ghz chip....

but According to moto's roadmap, the next chip is the G4 on a .13micron process with a Top speed of 1.3ghz....well...thats less than what apple is already selling...

So either moto's roadmap is way way off, or Apple is clocking these things, and they seemed commited to clocking the .13 micron chip as well, cause they are already beyond 1.3ghz!

Well, if they are reliable, and if Apple warranties them, and if the machine is quiet....and they say all these things are true....I don't see any problem at all.  But I wouldn't try to clock them further.

I have overclocked a G4 before, and they do have a bit of room....not as much as the old G3's...but usually you can get something, sometimes you need to up the voltage too.

I cannot see Amiga's beating apple on the high end though....in pure mhz...apple gets all the fast ppc's....but I wonder sometimes why a quad processor board isn't made....