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My ideas for a new Amiga century
« on: June 29, 2004, 08:10:30 PM »
I've been putting some thought into the present state of Amiga, and thought about some potential solutions to problems it still faces.

First of all, I think we're in a pretty good position. We've got new hardware and more importantly, a new version of the OS - which represents the
proper migration to PPC we've been wanting for so long yet definately retaining an Amiga look and feel. This has to be good news and I think puts in an excellent foundation to build on.

Secondly, Amiga is still a well recognised and respected brand especially in the now generally monied twenty somethings (even as just a games machine).

What I belive the Amiga needs is a re-establishment of the brand. Specifically, attachment of the name "Amiga" and its traditional logo, and the production of a console-style (i.e. 500, 1200) Amiga. This is how a lot of the non-Amiga fanatics remember the Amiga.
My roadmap would be this...

Using the mini-ATX form factor AmigaOne, produce an A1200 style all-in-one unit. The specification of this machine could be 512megs RAM, 40gig HD, Radeon gfx, Soundblaster sound. One remaining PCI slot (as per the 1200's expansion slot). I would suggest a black case :)
Bring on board a partner or investor who's willing to bankroll production of many of these units, hopefully bringing down the prices through bulk purchase (which I imagine Eyetech cannot afford to do on their own).
Convince developers that this isn't a minor attempt at re-releasing an old brand for the benefit of a few thousand hobbyists. Convince them that is a massive and dedicated move to re-establish the Amiga as a platform.
Aim for a sub 400 pounds price mark (or whatever that is in your local currency) and package it with a few games and applications. A brightly coloured box would do nicely.
Get them into electronics companies again, eg. Dixons. Get them back on the street.
Oh yes, advertise.

Imagine this machine. It would have the ability to boot games from CD, in the same way that everyone remembers Amigas booting from floppy. In that sense it's a glorified console. With Workbench ready installed on the HD it would give people instant internet access and scope for serious work when they're
not simply whacking in the latest CD game or DVD.

This might grate a little after spending so long battling with people trying to convince them that the Amiga is not just a games machine. But that's how a lot of people remember it. They remember going into Game or whereever and seeing an Amiga section full of the latest games.
How many of you came to the Amiga because it was of the games, because your mate had one with a wad of pirated disks and you knew you could just copy his Pinball Dreams disk, but Super Mario Cart would require 30 quid? After you got board of gaming you started to try out Personal Paint on the CU Amiga
coverdisk and bang, a whole other side of the Amiga opened up.

I think this is the way forward for the Amiga. As a serious computer it's excellent but how can we convince non-Amigans it's going to be better/cheaper/more reliable than the PC - especially without industry standard programs like Word? The answer I think it targeting it as a games machine with a keyboard.
Let them then discover everything it can offer just as so many of us did.

I believe the hardware is in place to do this. I'm not talking about a massive new development programme, just bringing on board investors who will initially bankroll large scale production and the design/pressing of a standard case (part of the branding remember).

What do you think?

As a strategy it's got to be better than Stellar Dreams flogging a couple of G4 motherboards or hoping that the Chinese market is going to pay off.

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Re: My ideas for a new Amiga century
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2004, 08:29:14 PM »
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how can we convince non-Amigans it's going to be better/cheaper/more reliable than the PC


You can't because it's not true. :-(

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Re: My ideas for a new Amiga century
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2004, 08:30:28 PM »
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Bring on board a partner or investor who's willing to bankroll production of many of these units, hopefully bringing down the prices through bulk purchase (which I imagine Eyetech cannot afford to do on their own).


The problem is, the console video games market is even tougher than the OS market!  From the past history one could make an argument that there isn't enough room for more than two console producers at any given time.  Right now, we have three.  One of which has a fairly healthy business (Sony), one of which is fighting to break even (Nintendo) and one of which has, literally, billions to invest, and doesn't care about losing HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS PER QUARTER (Microsoft).  Who would invest in a company looking to go against those behemoths?  I sure wouldn't!

I agree, an Amiga console would be a neat toy...  But the market is already beyond saturated.
 

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Re: My ideas for a new Amiga century
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2004, 08:31:34 PM »
I think the key to a comeback is definately investment, however I feel that until OS4 is totally released any large corporation would stay away, besides which we haven't many games on the amiga as it is. Nothing's gonna happen overnight unfortunately :-(
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Re: My ideas for a new Amiga century
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2004, 10:25:29 PM »
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You can't because it's not true.

The PC industry is no longer a basement operation.  The people making PCs today have been doing it for years and are damned good at it.  I sure wouldn't buy a mobo made by the hundreds at some Pennsylvania PCB manufacturer that specializes in building sonic insect repellers, when I can get a good mobo from the experts at Abit or Asus.

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The problem is, the console video games market is even tougher than the OS market! From the past history one could make an argument that there isn't enough room for more than two console producers at any given time.

Hell, Nintendo lost out to Sony.  Who saw that coming?

Consoles are also very raw machines that have little OS backing and lots of graphics tools.  If you can pony up half a billion to make a new custom chipset, be my guest.

Software is the only market with unlimited potential.

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we haven't many games on the amiga as it is.

The Amiga can't offer a base for making games that would be any better than the slew of Flash and Java apps available on the PC already.  3D drivers cost a fortune to develop, so robust support for 3D, the staple of modern gaming, would have to wait until later.  Unless, of course, you can get some companies to pitch in a few million bucks without actually releasing an OS with decent potential, first.

Let's face it, Amiga Inc. isn't exactly an expert at gathering capital.  I don't think they've even heard of the term, "proof of concept."

I've believed for years that the Amiga is dead.  I'd like very much for someone to make a severely modified version of Linux (or something) that just looked like Amiga at the filesystem level (no rediculous "bin" and "etc" directories, and so on...)

Whatever happens, no next-generation OS is going anywhere without a complete security model.  All existing computers expect the applications to handle security themselves, and the OS only covers its own butt with the root account.  I don't like my web browser having full access to my user account, and trying to "enhance my browsing experience" by running plug-ins right off the Internet.  Sooner or later, Linux will have the same plug-in security nightmares as Windows.  Just you watch.
 

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Re: My ideas for a new Amiga century
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2004, 11:25:33 PM »
Heh, I can already picture the headlines in the newspapers all over the world: "Panic at Microsoft! Bankruptcy seems imminent. Amiga is taking no prisoners...". :lol:
 

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Re: My ideas for a new Amiga century
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2004, 01:08:14 AM »
Greetings,

Speaking of the devil, Whatever happened to KMOS? Are they making any action to whatever plans they have in mind with regards for the AMIGA's future(if ever)?

IMH, Maybe they just need some MONEY muscle to jumpstart. I have a funny feeling they're just waiting in the air for a while. I'm just curious if they ever were looking aroud for investors or something(underground, maybe)? They were silent far too long. Maybe someone out there knows the truth? The community is really itching for any news any TIME now!

Hello! KMOS! >knock< >knock< Anyone home?


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Re: My ideas for a new Amiga century
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2004, 01:32:55 AM »
I agree, the AmigaOne's greatest userbase will be in the mass-market
A500/A1200 form.

I reccommend the MicroA1 mini-ITX formfactor motherboard.

We need another Deluxe Paint style combo with games, wordprocessing
and things like that in one 300-Euro package.

It will be competing directly with the next wave of consoles such as
Nintendo Revolution, Sony Playstation³ and X-Box 2. I therefore think
a vanilla colour would be more recognisable.

Sega messed up when it abandoned it's most loved brand the
Genesis/Megadrive and Sony kept the Playstation `P' logo.

We need to revert back to the colourful, eBay/Google/Playstation style
Amiga-Tick. I never liked the BoingBall or the red-triangled AMIGA
lettering.

I want a unique system and we HAVE to get inward investment from 3rd
party Japanese companies. We cannot rely on American partners who will
be mostly looking towards the console companies.

If things picked up maybe Sun could be brought into things or maybe
IBM to mass produce the hardware rather than Eyetech or whoever is
doing them.

Another thing we need to make sure of is that Pegasos/Morphos doesn't
drag the Amiga brand down with it's seperatist movement. If
Pegasos/Morphos users are happy with their machine that's good, but
they should let the Amiga users choose to stick with AmigaOS4 should
it become succesful.

Eric Schwartz would make a great artwork assistant though wouldn't he?

Also, there is a trend now for joysticks with built in computers like
the Atari VCS joystick with games in that plugs into a TV set. Amiga
has always been the towerless-keyboard and this theory has recently
been exploited by a PC manufacturer as seen elsewhere on Amiga.org.

We need to capitalise on what we have, and innovate to suit the wider
audience. If classic Amiga sold 6m then we have to sell 100m to
compete with the Playstation².

And finally, the Japanese love small things. They love the PC
Engine/Megadrive/Playstation - they hate the X-Box. Small is best.
Thin is best. Unique, novel, fun, sharing are all popular things
now...

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