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New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« on: June 13, 2004, 08:50:34 PM »
I wrote this in another thread (about the RC5-72 effort), but I thought it deserves a thread of it's own. It looks like the Pegasos is getting a new CPU card! What do you make of this:

People, have a look at this:

B-plan has joined the effort: http://stats.distributed.net/participant/psummary.php?project_id=8&id=437432

... and do you know what? Their stats on that page is not from 10 computers, not from 5 computers, not from 2 computers, but from ONE SINGLE COMPUTER! It looks like a new CPU card is in the works! :-D

If you look at the short history of their RC5 crunching career, you will see that it has peaked at 711 blocks in a 24h period(!), which is TEN TIMES as fast as my 1GHz G4 without Altivec, and THREE TIMES as fast as current Pegasos G4's **with Altivec enabled**!  :-o  :-o  :-D

As I said earlier, today the Pegasos/MorphOS platform set a *new personal record* in the amount of blocks crunched, and if you compare these 3,836 blocks that the MorphOS joint effort has produced, you will notice that the 711 blocks FROM THIS SINGLE MACHINE equals to about 18.5% of that total record!  :-o  :-)  :-D

If only 6 machines with this CPU card would have been running non-stop yesterday, the amount of blocks produced would have exceeded that day's TOTAL AMOUNT of ALL OTHER PLATFORMS (34) below the Pegasos/MorphOS current position! :-o

If all 93 registered Pegasos crunchers on the MorphOS dnet stats page (http://www.morphos-news.de/guides/rc5-72/dnet-mos-stats.php) would have had one of these babies each, and had them running non stop for 24h, it would sum up in 66,123 blocks (:-o), which would put the Pegasos at #5 of ALL PLATFORMS when it comes to daily blocks submitted, overtaking (by far) platforms like Sparc/Solaris, PowerPC/Linux, X86/OpenBSD, X86/NetBSD, etc! :-o  :-D

Do you get the picture? :-D

BTW, for reference: http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2354&forum=9
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Re: New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2004, 08:52:33 PM »
What makes you think it's a single machine? It's not.

[EDIT]It appears bbrv says ONE machine... But I think they are mistaken there. Check MorphZone for updates, as the story unfolds... :-)[/EDIT]
 

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Re: New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2004, 08:54:45 PM »
Ah, OK!  :-(
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Re: New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2004, 09:32:57 PM »
@ Piru

BTW, for this type of applications (the characteristics of RC5-72), what kind of results would you expect from a dual G4 @ 1.5 GHz (in Linux of course)? That is - if you take the clock frequency * 1.5, and then doubles the amount of CPU's? About how many blocks could one expect in a 24h period?
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Re: New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2004, 10:27:03 PM »
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BTW, for this type of applications (the characteristics of RC5-72), what kind of results would you expect from a dual G4 @ 1.5 GHz (in Linux of course)? That is - if you take the clock frequency * 1.5, and then doubles the amount of CPU's?

Yes, it's linear.

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About how many blocks could one expect in a 24h period?

7447@1000 does >10678428 keys/sec. To get total keys per 24h multiply with 60*60*24. One RC5-72 block contains 4 GKeys (4 * 1024^3 keys). To get number of blocks / 24h, divide the total calculated keys by (4 * 1024^3).

Result for G4@1000MHz: 214.81 blocks / 24h

For dual G4 @ 1.5GHz, you multiply the keys/sec by 1.5 and multiply by 2.0 for two cpus. Then do the math as above (or alternatively just scale the G@1000 result).

Result for 2 x G4 @ 1500MHz: 644.44 blocks / 24h.

The actual numbers would be slightly different depending on the system load and such factors.
 

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Re: New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2004, 12:22:37 AM »
Hypothetically, a situation where b-plan is stress testing a new dual G4 system, with slightly different clock frequencies, bus frequencies, system loads, etc every day, could very well produce these results. You see, that was what got me going on this. Well that, and BBRV's talk of a "secret weapon" and "if you think the Pegasos II is good now, just wait" ;-) (what is secret about some 1GHz G4's * 3 anyway?).

Both the Pegasos 1 and the Pegasos 2 has been marketed as a "Dual PPC" system (it's even written on the PCB on the motherboards). No dual CPU cards for the Peg1 was made, which is quite understandable (the Articia could obviously hardly handle *a single* G4), but in the Pegasos II it's a different situation.

But the question is, when do we get to see one of these dual CPU cards? The Pegasos II is a great piece of hardware, but computer hardware is aging quite fast. USB 1.1, Firewire 400, ATA100 etc might be sufficient for most purposes today, but perhaps it won't be that sexy in a year from now, in the summer of 2005? If there will ever be a dual CPU card for the Pegasos II, then now would be the time, when the Pegasos is gaining interest and things are going fine with Freescale. The Pegasos/ODW has a CPU slot for a reason, and it needs options, including the very most extreme available. Freescale themselves would probably be interested in this too, and so would their customers.

And another thing - the target segment of dual CPU cards would be the *power users* (servers, renderers, etc), that simply *can't get enough* of horse power and thus needs even more power than *a single piece* of *the most powerful* CPU could ever offer. To fulfill the needs of that segment it would only make sense to put two of the most powerful CPU's (like Apple does with their G5) on a dual CPU card (like 2x 7447A @ 1.5GHz, more or less overclocked), and as noted earlier, this could result in RC5-72 stats more or less like them above.

To sum up:

- The Pegasos is a dual CPU capable motherboard.
- Now is the time to make a dual CPU card. Wait much longer, and a Pegasos III (or at least a slightly upgraded "Pegasos 2.5") would perhaps make better sense.
- A dual CPU card is for those who can not get enough of CPU power, thus it should be two of the most powerful CPU's, regardless of their price.
- Two of the most powerful CPU's would bring RC5 results similar to the above, on a single computer.
- This would also justify comments like "secret weapon" and "if you think the Pegasos II is good now, just wait".

I am just brainstorming here, based on *no facts* whatsoever. Everything is probably totally incorrect, and I don't mean to cause any unnecessary rumours or such. It's probably quite obvious that I have no inside knowledge at all (Piru might have, I don't know), but I am hoping for a dual CPU card nevertheless! :-)
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Re: New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2004, 12:41:38 AM »
my dream pegasos:
PEGASOS II-Ultra
all the specs of the old PegII +
2 G4 CPU's@1500+ Mhz

USB2 controller
5.1 audio
SATA controller

all the above on seperate pci chipsets or integrated inside a newer southbridge.
wouldn't that be cool?!?  :-D

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--EDIT-- And ofcourse a sexy blue PCB! :-D
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Re: New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2004, 05:12:11 AM »
To look at this from another point of view, I wonder how UAE would run on that  :-D

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Re: New [POWERFUL!!] CPU card for the Pegasos II in the works?
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2004, 11:05:59 AM »
I bet UAE would run very expensive on that compared to x86  :-P.