Amiga OS 3.9 or 4.1 for PPC (and is it worth it?)

[kreciu]

Installed 4.1 classic on my Cyberstorm PPC and A4000T with mediator. It is way faster on my emulated i7 machine. Not worth it at all.

Get yourself a classic PPC Mac and try MorphOS. Its by far the best way to go and for OS4.1 just use it on a PC. Even buying a specific PC for emulating it would be less money than getting a Cyberstorm and be faster in the end.

... and considering that in near future we will have better GPU emulation under UAE AmigaOS4.1 + UAE will be best possible option. I hope to actually have one of my old PC's set up to run Amiga Forever as a stand alone computer.

BTW. Can I boot AmigaOS4.1 directly under UAE WITHOUT Windows (using Linux)?

Getting some used PPC board for Amiga is still definitely "fun" (AND expensive!), but it depends from that what you would like to do with Amiga. I have AmigaOS4.1 running on my i7 and its fantastic, but I would like to have "real Amiga" that is useful and Amiga is NOT useful without 040/060 or PPC. My current 030 is great... to run games . It is way to slow to do anything serious.

When you set up you AmigaOS computer ("real" or not) then there is one, tiny problem... LACK OF SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nicholas]

Situation is not different on any Amigish platform. Our best web browser is same.

Amiga is hobby machine, it is OK for general web browsing, like reading dayli news, googlin info about "something", but I wouldn't call Facebook or Google docs simple.

Facebook works fine with Odyssey on MorphOS so it should be fine on OS4 and AROS too.

[nicholas]

... and considering that in near future we will have better GPU emulation under UAE AmigaOS4.1 + UAE will be best possible option. I hope to actually have one of my old PC's set up to run Amiga Forever as a stand alone computer.

BTW. Can I boot AmigaOS4.1 directly under UAE WITHOUT Windows (using Linux)?

Yes.

http://fs-uae.net/download

Or you can run winuae with WINE on Linux too.

[trekiej]

I believe either (68K or Ppc) is Worth It if one could have simply a use for it like games or programming.
Edit number 1: Could some one make and sell software using it?
Edit number 2: It seems like if you buy software today you will end up buying some thing else sooner or later.
I am not trying to be negative. If the price is right buy it.

[Motormouth]

Installed 4.1 classic on my Cyberstorm PPC and A4000T with mediator. It is way faster on my emulated i7 machine. Not worth it at all.

Get yourself a classic PPC Mac and try MorphOS. Its by far the best way to go and for OS4.1 just use it on a PC. Even buying a specific PC for emulating it would be less money than getting a Cyberstorm and be faster in the end.

I have played with MorphOS on a G5 mac,  It seem quite amazing vs my 25 Mhz 68040s and my A3000s and A4000s.  In someways MorphOS (with it's clean OS on a G5) seems faster than modern PeeCees with all their OS overhead,  however their seems to be a lack of software for MorphOS.
How does AmigaOS 4.1 (on a PPC amiga) compare with MorphOS 3.9 on a G4 or G5 mac?  How does AmigaOS 4.1 emulated on WinUAE compare to MorphOS 3.9 on a G4 or G5 Mac?
What about software for morphos vs AmigaOS 4.1 vs 3.9?

[kreciu]

Or you can run winuae with WINE on Linux too.

For some reason I was thinking I can do it only with AmigaOS3.9. I have old Q8200 with 4GB ram doing literally nothing... it will be nice Amiga box. It is funny... case this PC is in right now I got for... SAM440ep... when it was out, but never got a chance to get one. At the end it will be use for AmigaOS and most likely speed will be similar

[Karlos]

I gave up being an Amiga only puritan back in 2000. I think I did well to last that long. Since then its been a pure hobby. Once you have it as a hobby only, the question of "is it worth it?" becomes moot. It's not worth it for any practical use case and hasn't been for years. But it is a lot of fun.

[Duce]

I gave up being an Amiga only puritan back in 2000. I think I did well to last that long. Since then its been a pure hobby. Once you have it as a hobby only, the question of "is it worth it?" becomes moot. It's not worth it for any practical use case and hasn't been for years. But it is a lot of fun.

Well said.

[Acill]

I have played with MorphOS on a G5 mac,  It seem quite amazing vs my 25 Mhz 68040s and my A3000s and A4000s.  In someways MorphOS (with it's clean OS on a G5) seems faster than modern PeeCees with all their OS overhead,  however their seems to be a lack of software for MorphOS.
How does AmigaOS 4.1 (on a PPC amiga) compare with MorphOS 3.9 on a G4 or G5 mac?  How does AmigaOS 4.1 emulated on WinUAE compare to MorphOS 3.9 on a G4 or G5 Mac?
What about software for morphos vs AmigaOS 4.1 vs 3.9?

I dont want to turn this thread into a MorphOS or AMigaOS 4.1 thread, but on the same hardware with one running and switch to the other MorphOS blows away the other in all areas. Moving to a Pegasos II and running the latest OS4.1 and MorphOS is also the same in that area.

Setting up OS4.1 Classic using the new Amiga Forever 2016 isnt that hard. Its well worth doing and comes with everything you need. If you are handy with scripting you can set the machine to boot directly into the environment with little effort.

[nicholas]

I dont want to turn this thread into a MorphOS or AMigaOS 4.1 thread, but on the same hardware with one running and switch to the other MorphOS blows away the other in all areas. Moving to a Pegasos II and running the latest OS4.1 and MorphOS is also the same in that area.

Setting up OS4.1 Classic using the new Amiga Forever 2016 isnt that hard. Its well worth doing and comes with everything you need. If you are handy with scripting you can set the machine to boot directly into the environment with little effort.

I can vouch for that too, MorphOS on my Pegasos II runs rings around OS4.1FE performance wise, it's also more stable and more compatible with 68k/WarpOS/PowerUP software too.  The main exception to that being Octamed which doesn't work on MorphOS.  

Both are great fun though.

OS4 on WinUAE is surprisingly fast, it'll be even better once it can use the accelerated UAEGFX P96 driver instead of an emulated Picasso IV.

[carvedeye]

I'm actually putting together an optimization guide for when 3.3.0 is released

That's Great let me know when your done

[Aegis]

Please post in this thread when you post your guide.. wouldnt wan to miss it!

That's Great let me know when your done

Don't worry - you won't miss it I'm toying with the idea of putting together a PDF for it since it's going to be quite extensive - it'll cover:

New features in WinUAE 3.3.0 + how to configure them
How to tweak OS4.1 on WinUAE to get a good balance of free memory/usability
Applications I've tested that work really well with OS4.1 on WinUAE plus any tweaks necessary to get them running perfectly.

I'm really impressed with Toni's work on this update - it's a whole new ball game with OS4 now - there's still some significant limitations though and this guide is about helping people make the most of 3.3.0

[slaapliedje]

I would love to get my hands on a Vampire for my A4000.  I have an 060/50 right now, with no fast ram, since my cyberstorm MK1 kicked the bucket.  I just have the A3640 with an 040->060 adapter, sad times.  It's really such a shame that accelerators are so expensive, we really do need a set of the FPGA based ones.

[QuikSanz]

slaapliedje,

Waiting for the same on my A2000 and 4000T with all the goodies! Can't wait! Most likely I'll pass before it sees the light of day.

Chris

[nicholas]

I would love to get my hands on a Vampire for my A4000.  I have an 060/50 right now, with no fast ram, since my cyberstorm MK1 kicked the bucket.  I just have the A3640 with an 040->060 adapter, sad times.  It's really such a shame that accelerators are so expensive, we really do need a set of the FPGA based ones.

Have you spoken to Stachu to see if he can repair your CS?