Cloanto confirms transfers of Commodore/Amiga copyrights

[gertsy]

Clear as lawyers.

[wawrzon]

I'm hoping it is all the more reason for AEON to develop something new so they "own" it and don't need to follow the crowd.  I'm hoping they develop their own operating system, their own patents, etc.

you dont even know what it might be, yet you are already cheering?

[alphadec]

No - as stated in the article, Amiga Inc. still owns all the trademarks, there's even a link to a list of marks they own.

And what have Amiga inc done with the amiga rights!, NOTHING.

[guest11527]

This should clear things up (a little)!
Somebody should jump on that OS3.5/3.9 IP! :rtfm:

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-02-00027-EN.html

I read through the news, but I'm not quite clear about the *real* contents of the news and the difference between what you imply and what they really own. From the IPs that are listed for Cloanto, I believe they own the RKRMs, and the workbench/kickstart disk *binaries*. Whether they have any rights on the sources still seems to be unclear to me, at least the news article does not claim this, and the table there that lists their IPs neither does say a word about sources.

Thus, I don't quite see the news behind this news. It was clear from the beginning that Cloanto had a right to sell the workbench disks and kickstart ROM images. That's old news. What would be "new news" is whether they have any rights on the sources. That's the only part I would be happy to learn.

[Lionheart]

And what have Amiga inc done with the amiga rights!, NOTHING.

 In order to maintain a valid trademark you have to prove that you are still using it.  Which is funny because in 2006 when Amiga Inc. had to file to renew the "Amiga" trademark at the United States Patent and Trademark Office in order to illustrate that the name was indeed in active use on actual products, it had nothing better than the photo of a Amiga Modem 1200 RS Model 1680 that was made over 20 years ago.

[Linde]

Is there such a thing as, "Trademark Trolling?"

The way trademarks are enforced sort of encourages "trolling". Pursuing those that may be infringing on your trademark is part of the process of keeping it. Ignoring what could be considered an infringement will make you lose it.

[kamelito]

I read through the news, but I'm not quite clear about the *real* contents of the news and the difference between what you imply and what they really own. From the IPs that are listed for Cloanto, I believe they own the RKRMs, and the workbench/kickstart disk *binaries*. Whether they have any rights on the sources still seems to be unclear to me, at least the news article does not claim this, and the table there that lists their IPs neither does say a word about sources.

Thus, I don't quite see the news behind this news. It was clear from the beginning that Cloanto had a right to sell the workbench disks and kickstart ROM images. That's old news. What would be "new news" is whether they have any rights on the sources. That's the only part I would be happy to learn.

Amiga journalists should answer that, but they tend to prefer to just post info without digging, that's why so many Amigans speculate...

Kamelito

[number6]

Amiga journalists should answer that, but they tend to prefer to just post info without digging, that's why so many Amigans speculate...

Kamelito

Have you considered the possibility that some questions might have been asked that were not answered? The alternative then becomes reviewing public information. What if the answer you seek doesn't exist in public information and is only available under NDA? Sometimes you can establish that relationship, but then the inability to transmit what you've learned makes the role of the journalist difficult, no?

I know I was involved in many q/a sessions and interviews over the years. In one case a list of questions was delivered to be asked to a 3rd party by the recipient. In the end...no questions were asked despite the work done to put together and edit the list of questions.
Why? Because the person that we expected to answer the questions "might get upset".

You can probably think of other examples of why an interview or q/a doesn't satisfy everyone.

#6

[kamelito]

Are you kidding me?

Question : Hello Michele, I heard Cloanto own the right to the AmigaOS source code up to 1993 is that true?

Possible answers:
Answer1 : No
Answer2 : Cloanto made me sign an NDA so I can't tell you but I know.
Answer3 : Yes we own the rights since 2012.
Answer4 : Joker, next question.
Answer5 : If I tell you I'll have to kill you
etc.

So basically you can have an answer.

Kamelito
PS I did some interview in the past too mostly for AmigaNews (the french paper magazine not the site)

[number6]

I read through the news, but I'm not quite clear about the *real* contents of the news and the difference between what you imply and what they really own. From the IPs that are listed for Cloanto, I believe they own the RKRMs, and the workbench/kickstart disk *binaries*. Whether they have any rights on the sources still seems to be unclear to me, at least the news article does not claim this, and the table there that lists their IPs neither does say a word about sources.

Thus, I don't quite see the news behind this news. It was clear from the beginning that Cloanto had a right to sell the workbench disks and kickstart ROM images. That's old news. What would be "new news" is whether they have any rights on the sources. That's the only part I would be happy to learn.

It was stated elsewhere:

Should you ever want to create your own official "NG" distribution, you can now go to Cloanto for the required 3.1 license and a license to the "Workbench" name, and then try to license the individual OS4 components from their respective developers.

Beyond that you'd have to address your question to the submitter of the article.

#6

[number6]

Are you kidding me?

Question : Hello Michele, I heard Cloanto own the right to the AmigaOS source code up to 1993 is that true?

Possible answers:
Answer1 : No
Answer2 : Cloanto made me sign an NDA so I can't tell you but I know.
Answer3 : Yes we own the rights since 2012.
Answer4 : Joker, next question.
Answer5 : If I tell you I'll have to kill you
etc.

So basically you can have an answer.

Kamelito
PS I did some interview in the past too mostly for AmigaNews (the french paper magazine not the site)

The only additional information I can see is how the article is being interpreted regarding how Amiga Games Inc. would provide what they promised, given the comment in the article about emulation:

Amiga Inc. owns the domain name amiga.com as well as all remaining Amiga-related trademarks (partial list, PDF). They do have a license from Cloanto for their activities on the BlackBerry platform, but no license for any other platforms.

That reaction noted:
Here

Note: by now many posts there (links to investor's hub) have been removed, so I'm not sure the context is clear.

#6

[alphadec]

but cloanto can they do something about the amiga (OS) or will it be more of the same. ?
Where there is nothing happening.