Poll: what do you think about PPC emulation in WinUAE?

[OlafS3]

WinUAE pretty much killed Amiga accelerator market. Suddenly it was not required to invest thousands to get decently fast Amiga.

You mean without UAE people would have bought the very expensive accellerators? I can only speak for myself, without UAE and only have the choice to buy extremely expensive hardware I would not have started again.

And the accellerators would have been too expensive, amiga user always had to pay more for the same than on other platforms

you could say the non-working "milk a shrinking market" strategy

[warpdesign]

WinUAE pretty much killed Amiga accelerator market. Suddenly it was not required to invest thousands to get decently fast Amiga.

I guess Amiga (accelerator) market was already dead by the time WinUAE reached this speed.

Usually, emulators have no impact since new machines that are many times faster get released and new software get written for it.

The problem with the Amiga is that the new machines aren't that fast, and people tend to not update (because it's expensive, there are little to no software written for it).

In this case, emulation could be seen as a problem. But seriously: there are so few people using Amiga today, does it really make a difference ?

Why is everything so closed on the Amiga ? Every OS but AROS aren't free/opened, no sources are available (except some parts like USB stack,... which developers no longer maintain). Even free stuff gets some kind of software lock (see MorphOS PUP free edition that requires a registration that locks it to the PowerUP board) or licence lock (cannot be used with emulators). What's the point ?

Having some open mindedness would benefit to everyone... It's 2014 and there's maybe less than a thousand users in the world, and a lot less developers. Why not concentrate on doing some fun work and stop closing code, seeing threats in the other "camp", locking apps to hardware, writing some useless licence... ? What are the stakes?

Anything released today is a good thing. So is WinUAE PPC support.

My two cents...

[OlafS3]

I guess Amiga (accelerator) market was already dead by the time WinUAE reached this speed.

Usually, emulators have no impact since new machines that are many times faster get released and new software get written for it.

The problem with the Amiga is that the new machines aren't that fast, and people tend to not update (because it's expensive, there are little to no software written for it).

In this case, emulation could be seen as a problem. But seriously: there are so few people using Amiga today, does it really make a difference ?

he talked about the past...

But even if, the main problem for a long time regarding commercial projects is that you cannot earn money or better you can earn more on other platforms. When I digged around in aminet for my distribution it became obvious that there was a lot of 68k activity till around 1997/1998 then it went down considerably. The last updates for commercial software were about 2000. If activity went down 1997/1998 I assume that this was both the case for users and developers. So in this atmosphere of a rapidly shrinking user base no commercial orientated developer or company would invest time and money and the "hobby" projects that are only based on idealism often fail without any hope to make money with it. Developing is time consuming and on hardware even expensive.

Short conclusion: I think WinUAE has saved the remainders, the damage was already there

Why is all closed? Why are some people bashing each other or talking bad about others instead of working together? I do not know. And I think it will not change. The platforms are like trains that are driving in different directions so it is best to decide for one and jump on the waggon.

[Glittering]

WinUAE pretty much killed Amiga accelerator market. Suddenly it was not required to invest thousands to get decently fast Amiga.

Then the remaining Amiga companies at the time should have took advantage of that opportunity instead of being greedy sods by keeping hardware prices so high whilst in the real computing world, hardware prices was falling.

Amiga companies (and the vocal Amiga users who've gone along with the Amiga companies nonsense) have caused irreparable damage and you would think after all these years, the remaining users would want the Amiga to try and get at least 0.0000000000001% of a comeback but no. Closed minded nonsense still exists.

The Amiga X1000 costs £2125 (+ £12.90 p&p ) in 2014, which is utter madness to the rest of the computing world but in the Amiga bubble. That is gloriously priced and the Amiga will make a massive comeback.

[itix]

Short conclusion: I think WinUAE has saved the remainders, the damage was already there

I didnt mean impact caused by WinUAE was bad. It just meant that you didnt have to buy expensive accelerator boards to get 68060 speeds and true colour graphics. This changed Amiga market even though it was in death spiral already.

[Hans_]

WinUAE pretty much killed Amiga accelerator market. Suddenly it was not required to invest thousands to get decently fast Amiga.

I don't think so. The accelerator market had already declined beforehand. Accelerators were still being bought even after WinUAE became faster than the real thing. I highly doubt that there was a big drop off at that point.

Hans

[Terminills]

amiga-news.de is running a poll to see what people think about PPC emulation in WinUAE. Several hundred Germans have already voted, now it's time for the rest of the world to chime in: Would you buy OS4 to run it on WinUAE? Do you think this development is going to hurt AmigaOS?

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2014-08-00040-EN.html

(I submitted this as a news item, but the thread was closed immediately. I accidentally used the wrong link in the news item and I can't fix it anymore since the thread's been closed already. So here it is again - sorry for the mess)

You forgot an option.  "It's bad because Hyperion(Ben) can no longer use "losses" for tax purposes if they actually show a profit." =\

Just my opinion though

[dammy]

You forgot an option.  "It's bad because Hyperion(Ben) can no longer use "losses" for tax purposes if they actually show a profit." =\

Just my opinion though

That would answer quiet a number of questions I have had about Hyperion...

[AltRN8]

I'd happily buy an accelerator for my real amigas if one was made that was less than the $1500+ the classic ones go for at this time. That being said I'm a realist and understand that the small demand and resulting the small run size will probably prevent that from ever happening.

I'd buy new hardware Amiga OS 4 specific hardware if it was cheaper as well but that's also unlikely.

WinUAE is probably my only chance at running OS 4.

[magnetic]

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I'd buy new hardware Amiga OS 4 specific hardware if it was cheaper as well but that's also unlikely.

WinUAE is probably my only chance at running OS 4.

The former aint gonna happen so you may be stuck with the latter. /me hugs his Pegasos2

[Duce]

Peg2 was by no means cheap when new, either.

All the OS4 hardware options have always been high priced compared to things like MOS systems, which can pretty much be found for free or darned cheap.

[magnetic]

Peg2 was by no means cheap when new, either.

All the OS4 hardware options have always been high priced compared to things like MOS systems, which can pretty much be found for free or darned cheap.

I think that $399 is cheap. Well i got mine for free because I worked for Genesi. And at that time a G4 1ghz was still competitive with other cpus at the time.

[mingle]

I see no need for me to run Amiga OS4 for classic.

My PC does everything modern that i need and WinUAE already runs the older Amiga OS's for all my nostalgic needs.

Would would i gain in running OS4 for classic?

This...

[ElPolloDiabl]

I just did a torrent search for Os4.1 Sure enough it is available. There are a lot of freeloaders.

[mingle]

I just did a torrent search for Os4.1 Sure enough it is available. There are a lot of freeloaders.

The only one I can see is an old one for the SAM440, so I don't think anyone has put the required classic version of 4.1 up as a torrent...

[Jeff]

I just did a torrent search for Os4.1 Sure enough it is available. There are a lot of freeloaders.

I just bought 4.1 Classic from AmigaKit.  I haven't tried it yet but I'll show my support that way when I am able too. I always have with "pretty much every version" of Amiga OS that I have purchased over the years.

I am enjoying the "Amiga platform" whatever you believe it to be (both Hardware and Software) see another flurry of activity. Even if it turns out to be a brief one.