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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #29 from previous page: August 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM »
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1: A4000T
2: A1200
3: A4000
4: A3000T
5: A3000
6: A600
5: A500
7: the rest

So in my book it's not the worst. :)

Well that's that then lol :laughing: best wishes Brian.
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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2014, 03:48:32 PM »
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Many of the old games failed to run on it and I guess that's why it's been said as the worst model.


The same applies to every single Amiga model ever except the A500. Properly written games will work, badly written ones may not. It's not fair to blame Commodore for lame third-party game programming techniques.
 

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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2014, 03:56:13 PM »
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The same applies to every single Amiga model ever except the A500. Properly written games will work, badly written ones may not. It's not fair to blame Commodore for lame third-party game programming techniques.

Wasn't the whole reason for compatibility issues due to a 2.X ROM? I always wondered if a ROM switcher with an added 1.X ROM would bring better compatibility to the A600...
 
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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2014, 04:58:32 PM »
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Wasn't the whole reason for compatibility issues due to a 2.X ROM? I always wondered if a ROM switcher with an added 1.X ROM would bring better compatibility to the A600...

Love the Beatles backdrop Brian! :)

Hi gizmo350 thanks for the Beatle thumbs up, I have been a huge fan from the age of 4yrs old and never get tired of listening to them and I have to say I fell off the chair watching your cat lol  brilliant, thanks for looking in best wishes Brian.:laughing::laughing:
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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2014, 05:27:22 PM »
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Wasn't the whole reason for compatibility issues due to a 2.X ROM?


Yes, that's the reason for the vast majority of the compatibility issues.

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I always wondered if a ROM switcher with an added 1.X ROM would bring better compatibility to the A600...


Yes, or you can use eg. ReloKick to soft-kick it.
 

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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2014, 06:50:19 AM »
Hi thanks to everyone for posting I never for a moment thought the A600 would have generated so much interest and indeed have quite a following for some thing that started off as the worst Amiga lol so thanks again and this is the last Beatle pic of my set up, best wishes Brian.
 
 
 
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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2014, 01:53:23 PM »
At that time you could get an A500+ with a lot of expansions. In comparison the A600 had little expandability. Both the same spec.
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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2014, 03:47:20 PM »
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At that time you could get an A500+ with a lot of expansions. In comparison the A600 had little expandability. Both the same spec.

Hi I wonder why Commodore bothered to release,what I suppose must have been a really low spec machine compared to what else there was to choose from. very best wishes Brian.:)
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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2014, 05:46:24 PM »
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...No amount of creative mount lists ever got my first 600 to work with a hard drive. So I bought another that did. I must have a dozen 600s. Don't use them...
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz93.htm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there were two reasons, maybe more, that some A600s were not HD compatible out of the box.

1   Some A600s shipped with versions of the ROM (37.299?) without HD or PCMCIA support.  Incredible!  Version 37.350 and later support large HDs and the PCMCIA port.  It's a simple chip swap.

2.   For reasons known only to Commodore, they included the IDE HD connector on all A600s, BUT, took one pin (the one that carries the BUSY signal to the HD LED) out of the header on those machines without the "A600HD" label.  It probably cost them extra money to disable some A600s in this fashion.
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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2014, 06:29:39 PM »
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Why did the A2000 cost so much more than everything else? I have always wondered about this because as you said it offers nothing more than a few extra slots...

I'm guessing it's because chickenhead was trying to make a profit so they marked up the price? Or maybe the A2000 price was right but the wedgies were under priced? Maybe it is because of the better PSU?

It really was not that much higher a price. 2000 came out at about $1500. The Amiga 500 was about $600 at its debut. So less than a grand more to get a large case, double the RAM (and this was when RAM was very expensive. That A501 to bring the 500 up to the 2000 RAM was almost $200 alone), better power supply, just a few more slots (try 4 more slots), a video slot, a cpu slot, ISA slots, and space for drives inside. No centipede working its way along your desk if you wanted to add more than one additional expansion.

Were it "just a few extra slots" it might not have been worth it, but all things considered it did offer quite a bit more than a 500. To compare one would have to look at prices of things that added as much to the 500 like the Bodega Bay (which still did not add RAM, video slots or CPU slots) on top of the 500 price. If it was anywhere close to $900 to add less, then the 2000 still ends up a better deal. Then don't forget to also add the $180 for the 501 RAM expansion.

The 600 was not very good at that time and considered the worst Amiga because the 500 market was so large. There were a ton of expansions both using the expansion slot and the CPU slot that the 600 could use none of. Instead the 600 had built in hard drive but at the time 2.5" drives were very expensive. PCMCIA cards were also very expensive at that time. Both being parts used in laptops. The laptop tax on prices made these expensive for a budget Amiga purchaser.

Today, the 600 is a great machine. IDE 2.5" drives and CF or SD adapters are inexpensive and the PCMCIA cards you can get for Ethernet, wireless and CF cards to transfer files to PC are cheap.
 
 For compactness, you cant get better than the 600 today without running emulation on a laptop. 1200 running a close second and honestly, the 1200 I think is the best Amiga for actual Amiga hardware.
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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2014, 06:16:20 PM »
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Hi I wonder why Commodore bothered to release,what I suppose must have been a really low spec machine compared to what else there was to choose from. very best wishes Brian.:)


The A600 marked the move to surface mount technology which improved reliability and lowered production costs.  Due to it's smaller footprint, there would also have been savings on raw materials, storage and shipping.

Limited expansion capability would more likely mean a customer would buy more powerful machine in the future  when it became too limited for them.
 

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Re: Amiga 600 the worst?
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2014, 11:21:41 PM »
First pilot production run of the Amiga 600 computer                       system with photos!

http://dustlayer.com/blog/2014/8/16/lost-treasures-the-commodore-production-line-in-hong-kong

Also, here's Robert Baker's website...

http://www.bobnj.com/cbm/index.htm

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