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A500+ no boot
« on: September 01, 2013, 11:49:06 PM »
Bare motherboard with all chips in place.

Picked this up on ebay.  My first mistake!

Plugged it in and turned it on and I get a quick flash of green then dark.

Check Agnus and it looks fine.  Swapped with a spare, same thing.

Happened to notice there is a GARY chip where DENISE should be!  WTF!?!?!?

Swapped that out and now I get a dark screen followed by a quick flash of white.  Keyboard is blinking like crazy.  Counted 10 blinks!  All the tech refs I have say to run for anything over 5.

Suggestion?  Or should I assume this was a bad purchase?

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Re: A500+ no boot
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2013, 12:40:48 AM »
Assuming the socketed chips are all ok, it's likely to be one of these things - in order:-
Leaked battery acid has damaged some tracks.
One of the 74 series chips on datapath is faulty.

Is there any sign off acid damage?  Do you have a set of chips to swap out?
 

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Re: A500+ no boot
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2013, 04:18:46 AM »
Quote from: curtis;746804

Happened to notice there is a GARY chip where DENISE should be!  WTF!?!?!?


If you have the knowledge, I would compare the pinouts of the Gary and Denise chips.  Are the same pins tied to ground, Vcc, etc on each one?   Then make an EWAG (Educated Wild A**ed Guess) about what would likely suffer if a previous owner got cute with swapping chips around.  Would signals from the support chips feeding inputs into that socket be shorted to gnd (ground) if Gary were put into there?

With a schematic, meter, and maybe a scope, you should be able to go pretty deep into it.  Confirm power rails, gnd, and clocks to all chips.  

You could probably save it.
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Re: A500+ no boot
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2013, 01:12:58 PM »
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If you have the knowledge, I would compare the pinouts of the Gary and Denise chips.  Are the same pins tied to ground, Vcc, etc on each one?   Then make an EWAG (Educated Wild A**ed Guess) about what would likely suffer if a previous owner got cute with swapping chips around.  Would signals from the support chips feeding inputs into that socket be shorted to gnd (ground) if Gary were put into there?

With a schematic, meter, and maybe a scope, you should be able to go pretty deep into it.  Confirm power rails, gnd, and clocks to all chips.  

You could probably save it.


Yes, totally valid point.  Those chips could be OK, but they might not be.

In my mind the board probably had a RAM or datapath fault, possibly due to battery leakage, and some idiot probably tried swapping the chips thinking they were interchangeable, or by accident.  Personally I would test those chips in another 500 first - work out if any of the socketed chips have failed, then start looking at the PCB for acid damage etc.  My guess is there will be 2 faults here at least.  If you live in the UK and want someone to fix this, I can.  Or you could stick it on EBAY as is.

It's a shame, many of these 500 and 500+ boards are being destroyed because when there's a fault with datapath, demux or RAM people are either making more faults or stripping them for parts and destroying the PCB.

I bought 4 'RAM sections' a few weeks back - part PCB cut from 500 motherboards =\
 

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Re: A500+ no boot
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2013, 08:41:48 PM »
I did do some easter egging with known good chips with no change.

Hadn't thought about trying the original chips in another board.  Will give that a whirl.

However, when I replaced original chips with known good, the symptoms did not change so don't think that will confirm anything.

Thinking I may have to look at the 74XXX chips on the datapath as mentioned by GadgetUK.

Oh, the battery had been removed before any leakage had occurred.

Power supply is a known good unit.  Bigfoot 350W.

@ Tenacious.  Don't have a scope anymore.  Kinda hard to check clock without a scope tho.  I guess I'll drag out a good regular 500 mobo and check levels between the 2.  

@GadgetUK (again!)  I know what you mean about people hacking away at boards and destroying them.  Picked up a job lot of stuff a while back.  Previous owner had CUT OUT the power connector and 3-4 500 boards!    He also did a number on the Agnus socket on a couple of them.  Asked him why and he said he was going to try to make one good board out of 4.  Ended up destroying all 4.

May give Mechy and yell since he's in Texas also and I'm thinking he will have some better test equipment than I do.

Was sure hoping it was going to be something simple.  Should've know better!

That's what I get for buying AS-IS untested.  Should have been about a dozen red flags waving in the breeze followed by a full brass band blaring away, but I missed the hints.

Thanks for the tips guys.

If I get this fixed I'll definitely let y'all know.

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