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Compact external switchmode powersupply?
« on: August 22, 2013, 09:20:07 PM »
I'm looking for something to run my A600 that doesn't take up as much space as the A500 brick I have, or weigh 1.8kgs like it does...

I'm struggling to find a good quality +12 and +5volt powersupply.

I've been looking at external hard drive power supplies, such as this:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-5V-AC-Adapter-For-HARD-DISK-Drive-Power-Supply-IDE-C99D-/360547355503?pt=AU_Components&hash=item53f24c0b6f

But obviously the quality is extremely low!

Acquiring the -12v from a supply like that shouldn't be too difficult, and I only need ~35watts total... but none seem to have the current on the +5v rail that I'd like either...

I've pulled apart two laptop supplies, thinking I may be able to modify them for +12v, and add a switchmode +5v regulator internally too, but there's no space in either of them....

So... ideas?

I saw the Xbox 360 supplies, that do 12amps at 12volts, and considered adding a 5v regulator, but this seems a bit overkill...

Thanks!
 

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Re: Compact external switchmode powersupply?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2013, 06:03:56 PM »
Quote from: AmmoJammo;745868
I'm looking for something to run my A600 that doesn't take up as much space as the A500 brick I have, or weigh 1.8kgs like it does...

I'm struggling to find a good quality +12 and +5volt powersupply.

I've been looking at external hard drive power supplies, such as this:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-5V-AC-Adapter-For-HARD-DISK-Drive-Power-Supply-IDE-C99D-/360547355503?pt=AU_Components&hash=item53f24c0b6f

But obviously the quality is extremely low!

Acquiring the -12v from a supply like that shouldn't be too difficult, and I only need ~35watts total... but none seem to have the current on the +5v rail that I'd like either...

I've pulled apart two laptop supplies, thinking I may be able to modify them for +12v, and add a switchmode +5v regulator internally too, but there's no space in either of them....

So... ideas?

I saw the Xbox 360 supplies, that do 12amps at 12volts, and considered adding a 5v regulator, but this seems a bit overkill...

Thanks!

I built these and sold them a few years ago. they were quite compact and powerful. they exceeded the A500 specs by a good bit:

http://www.a4000t.com/psu/1.jpg

Of course this does not help much,but its hard to find a 3 output psu with the right specs anymore for a reasonable price. these base psu's i used to build the apower now cost around $100usd to start out with which is why i could not do more than the initial 200 run of them.

you really want at least 4.5 amps on the 5v side. this would be tough to do with a linear regulator(and would likely run really hot). a slightly smaller idea might be to use a SFX psu(small form factor). they are a good bit smaller than ATX,they have the required +5,+12 and -12 you need.

good luck!

Mech
 

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Re: Compact external switchmode powersupply?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2013, 10:26:37 PM »
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you really want at least 4.5 amps on the 5v side. this would be tough to do with a linear regulator(and would likely run really hot).

Hence the suggestion of a switchmode regulator ;) Something like the Maxim MAX787, does 5volts at 5amps with a fairly small number of external components.

Of course, finding a power supply that does 12v at 2amp and 5v at 5amp to begin with would be a lot easier!

I'm now considering two separate switchmode power supplies, built into a smallish jiffy box ;)
 

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Re: Compact external switchmode powersupply?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2013, 11:29:02 PM »
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Hence the suggestion of a switchmode regulator ;) Something like the Maxim MAX787, does 5volts at 5amps with a fairly small number of external components.

Of course, finding a power supply that does 12v at 2amp and 5v at 5amp to begin with would be a lot easier!

I'm now considering two separate switchmode power supplies, built into a smallish jiffy box ;)

I see, the max787 is interesting. i notice its been discontinued,but is still not too hard to find. I looked at the data sheet but it doesn't seem to show much about what kind of heat it dissipates at full load. Of course it will not be anything like a linear but i suspect pushing it near 100% might make some nice heat.
finding a laptop style psu that does 12v/6A+ is easy(they use them for under kitchen cabinet lighting actually),i would think 6A would give you 5 for the machine and then 1 amp at 12v...not counting losses.. not sure how you would get the -12(although its trivial and even a negative linear reg would do for the measily .3A).. not sure if there would be any backlash with all this stuff sharing common rail for ground etc.

also, the weight you mention on the 500psu,do you have the switching style or the old transformer style? the switching 500 psu's were pretty light and still do 4.5A.. i realize you want smaller size but short of the desktop psu i mentioned like i built originally,its going to be hard to save space,and you will likely need big heat sinking.

I wonder how hard it would be to do a design similar to the stock 500 switching psu but use nice fets with low rdsOn values and maybe up the frequency for a even smaller xformer and reduce the size a good bit? no small feat i guess and probably no where near the effort.

If you do build anything keep us posted,and ventilate the case well ;)
 

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Re: Compact external switchmode powersupply?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 01:07:13 AM »
You can't use a linear negative voltage regulator, unless you have a negative voltage to begin with.

The power supplies have a diode (or pair of diodes) on the transformers output winding, you can simply add another two diodes, reverse polarity, on the +12v winding to get the -12v ;)

Realistically, a 12 volt, 6 amp power supply (72 watt) should be able to do 5volt at 10amps with a switchmode regulator, after accounting for losses.

So 6 amps at 12v should be good for 5v @ 8amp, 12v @ 2amp ;)

The PSU's I have now (three of them!) are heavy linear supplies, rated at 5v @ 4.3a, 12v @ 1a.