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Offline Thomas

Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #14 from previous page: June 11, 2013, 04:48:45 PM »
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No, unfortunately not. There is no list of manufacturer IDs included, it's "binary only".


This guy should have the source code: http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=36714

He also worked on a program which lists all boards known to the library.

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Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2013, 05:49:39 PM »
I think this is not so much about where to get data, as to who makes the final call on ID assignment. I guess there has not been any ID-collision yet?
(given that SKIstor 2000 (1989) has the autoconfig ID 32768 and netbsd sources hint that it's 16-bit unsigned, collision may not be that unlikely)

How many new devices is produced per year btw?
 

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Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2013, 07:34:03 PM »
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I think this is not so much about where to get data, as to who makes the final call on ID assignment.


It's simple enough: if somebody asks for an ID and provides the information which is filed along with the ID, he will receive a new manufacturer ID. There is not much call for new IDs, and so far nobody has tried any funny business.

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I guess there has not been any ID-collision yet?
(given that SKIstor 2000 (1989) has the autoconfig ID 32768 and netbsd sources hint that it's 16-bit unsigned, collision may not be that unlikely)


It's hard to say if there ever was a problem with ID collisions. From what I know, most of the Amiga hardware that ever was and needed a manufacturer ID was produced when Commodore was still in business. Fewer than 300 developers requested manufacturer IDs, and from the different fields they were working in, it would have been a real coincidence if any Amiga would contain even two different expansion boards by different developers sharing the same ID.

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How many new devices is produced per year btw?


A year with more than one new manufacturer IDs to be assigned would be the rare exception. In the last 15 years only 11 new ID have been assigned.
 

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Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2013, 08:03:24 PM »
Which ones are the latest additions?

Seems at least like the ID space won't run out like IPv4 will ;)
 

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Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2013, 08:32:52 PM »
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Re amiga.resource.cx:
Delfina (Classic)  Petsoff, Finland   Date 1996     Autoconfig ID 14501 / 0
Delfina Lite  Petsoff Date 1997  Autoconfig ID 14501 / 1
Delfina Plus Petsoff Date 2001    Autoconfig ID 14501 / 2


Fixed on the official Amiga Hardware Manufacturer ID Registry.
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Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2013, 08:58:53 PM »
I was reading the list and I am wondering if "Digital Pacific" is the same thing as "Pacific Digital".  I wish there was a year of registration field so I could have an idea.

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Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2013, 07:07:58 AM »
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Which ones are the latest additions?


Funny that you should ask ;)  This is not a particularly exciting subject. The latest additions are the numbers 5014 through 5017 (assigned in the last two years). They were assigned to developers who are making smaller batches of hardware expansions, such as CPU cards, memory expansions, I/O expansions (USB/Ethernet) and even virtual hardware for new Amigas (if I understand the product description info correctly).

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Seems at least like the ID space won't run out like IPv4 will ;)


At this rate, we'll have run out in 50,000 years or so. Then it's somebody else's problem ;)
 

Offline bubbob42

Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2013, 08:35:48 PM »
Alas, noone seems to read guides nowadays... ;)

"showboards allknown" lists all boards and manufacturers known to boards.library.

@olsen: I included a FAQ in the guide, stating that registrations should go through Hyperion's contact form. However, that form is a bit hard to find (at least for me). Perhaps an email address could be added to the wiki page?

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Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2013, 07:17:09 AM »
2171 is there! :)
 

Offline bubbob42

Re: Autoconfig, Hardware Manufacturer Number?
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2013, 11:06:36 AM »
Also note that some developers lately got the IDs they suggested by themselves from the pool of free ones, so the equation "recently added = high number" is not always true.