68060 vs 68040

[matt3k]

Agree with Mechy and Paul,

So many factors come into play with performance, application, and usability it is impossible to make blanket statements.

For my use, the 40MHz 3040 Warp Engine provided a better user experience that my 50MHz Cyberstorm MK II in a 3000D.  I was using the 3k for word processing, web browsing, financial reporting, email, and light DTP.  The 3040 delivered a faster overall experience then the CS for that usage, I tested them side by side and that is why I kept the the 3040 and sold off the CS.  If I was ray tracing and doing lots of math as my main usage I certainly would have kept the CS and sold the WE.

The 060 is by itself isn't a great solution unless it is paired to it's own high performance local memory and has it's own Fast SCSI controller.  I would trade a CS MKII in a heartbeat for a Warp Engine.  Macrosystems did a better job in that case.  Now if you were to bring a CS MKIII into play, I would clearly take the CS.

Truth be told, the step up to the 040 @40MHz from an 030 @25MHz (with the WE) was FAR greater then the move to the 040 to the 060 @50MHz.  I remember says to other Amiga folks...  "This is it???", it really was a dissapointment.   Clearly the difference was with the packaging of the WE, and how good it was made.

[stachu100]

WRONG,WRONG,AND WRONG. there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 040.Read my previous message about whats hot and whats not.
Blame the poor A1200 design and voltage drop,blame poor A1200 psu's,blame bad apollo connectors and crappy accelerators,but quit spreading these myths that are not true.
See my explanation above debunking your heat sentence and the 040 does not use that much more power than a 030/50.have you even checked it?

I 100% agree with that.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Well, there is someone who is going to sell me an Apollo 1260 running at 80 Mhz with 32 MB of RAM maximum (unless I get someone to soldier an additional 32 MB of RAM).

But a Blizzard 1260 @ 50 Mhz can see up to 128 Mb of RAM but is stuck with 50 Mhz.

Is Blizzard 1260 higher quality and better than Apollo 1260 or do you recommend I should go ahead and buy Apollo 1260. This is my Amiga usage:

1) Internet browsing, IRC, etc
2) WHDLoad games
3) Playing MP3
4) Developing on it as a developer's enviornment
5) Using AmiGift

and I want to be able to play the game total chaos and Napalm as well. I love playing a game called Trap so the question is 32 Mb FAST RAM more than enough?

I also want to be able to watch movies on my system. So should I stick with Apollo 1260 with 32 MB of FAST ram at 80 Mhz or go with Blizzard 1260 @ 50 Mhz that can see 128 MB of fast RAM.

[mechy]

Well, there is someone who is going to sell me an Apollo 1260 running at 80 Mhz with 32 MB of RAM maximum (unless I get someone to soldier an additional 32 MB of RAM).

But a Blizzard 1260 @ 50 Mhz can see up to 128 Mb of RAM but is stuck with 50 Mhz.

Is Blizzard 1260 higher quality and better than Apollo 1260 or do you recommend I should go ahead and buy Apollo 1260. This is my Amiga usage:

1) Internet browsing, IRC, etc
2) WHDLoad games
3) Playing MP3
4) Developing on it as a developer's enviornment
5) Using AmiGift

and I want to be able to play the game total chaos and Napalm as well. I love playing a game called Trap so the question is 32 Mb FAST RAM more than enough?

I also want to be able to watch movies on my system. So should I stick with Apollo 1260 with 32 MB of FAST ram at 80 Mhz or go with Blizzard 1260 @ 50 Mhz that can see 128 MB of fast RAM.

I am sorry,but i don't think you understand about the amiga here. The fastest 060 is still not going to exceed much more than pentium 1 90mhz performance(ok,overclocked boards may a bit). For watching movies like you do on the typical PC,divx,mp4,etc formats,a 68060 will not cut it. As a matter of fact one of Stans (stachu)Modified PPC cards would be the bare minimum. some exceptions for 060 are some Mpeg1 and 2 stuff,like video cd and svcd. You will need a board with good ram to do this more than likely.

I don't particularly care for the apollo design,but the boards do work and overclock far-some did suffer from bad edge card connectors though. the Blizzard 060's are rock stable in my experience and good quality.

On my cyberstorm PPC 060/66mhz 604e/233mhz with mediator and radeon i can almost watch a divx with sound,its like a fast slideshow though.

On a 1200 without a graphics card,you can forget it.The 1200 has many bottlenecks that slow it down compared to the typical A3000/A4000.

Mech

[matt3k]

Well, there is someone who is going to sell me an Apollo 1260 running at 80 Mhz with 32 MB of RAM maximum (unless I get someone to soldier an additional 32 MB of RAM).

But a Blizzard 1260 @ 50 Mhz can see up to 128 Mb of RAM but is stuck with 50 Mhz.

Is Blizzard 1260 higher quality and better than Apollo 1260 or do you recommend I should go ahead and buy Apollo 1260. This is my Amiga usage:

1) Internet browsing, IRC, etc
2) WHDLoad games
3) Playing MP3
4) Developing on it as a developer's enviornment
5) Using AmiGift

and I want to be able to play the game total chaos and Napalm as well. I love playing a game called Trap so the question is 32 Mb FAST RAM more than enough?

I also want to be able to watch movies on my system. So should I stick with Apollo 1260 with 32 MB of FAST ram at 80 Mhz or go with Blizzard 1260 @ 50 Mhz that can see 128 MB of fast RAM.

Movie watching even with the fastest Amiga with the best video card and processor will yield poor results.  If your looking to play videos on cheap hw in an Amiga Like OS, pickup AROS or MOS.  They will be your best affordable bets and will play movies files.

For MP3 play, you need decent card, I'm not very knowledgeable on the 1200 here.  I can say that Delfina had a great card that relieved the cpu and gave a great usable experience, but you will need a zorro card.  People who use a 1200 can provide better response here.

Again, Browsing will be decent on an Amiga, esp. with a Cybervision, Retina Z3, or PIV.  But you need a zorro slot for that.  The best browsing experience now seems to be Fab's Odyssey browser on MOS.  But a classic still gets the job done well enough.

You may want to switch to a 3000 or a 4000 for the most performance options...  Just a thought to consider...

Good luck!

[fishy_fiz]

The thing with watching videos on a classic is that youre going to have to convert files to watch with good results regardless of which 680x0 cpu youre using. If you take it to the nth degree you'll get away with even an '030 + fast ram so long as you have enough storage space. Obviously a faster cpu has more chance of coping with industry standard formats (maybe mpeg1 for low res video will be ok on an overclocked '060), but end of the day its not the same as watching videos on a modern mac/pc/console/etc., you pretty much need to "amiga-fy" the video anyway.

The '060 will be faster, but due to the need to convert videos anyway, it'll be more of a case of the need to less "optimising" the video needed than better results.

[AmigaClassicRule]

I use a program called Rivo or something that even on a 68030 it is able to play the movie with sound and the picture is so slow though but it have a great potential of running the movie on 15 fps on a 68060 which is great experience for me.

I am going to get the Blizzard 1260 and I am going to enjoy the Amiga 1200 to the maximum.

I did not realize however that the Amiga 1200 is extremely different than the A4000, I did not know that the Amiga 4000 AGA is faster than the Amiga 1200 AGA's that I will be able to watch movies and do everything better on an Amiga 4000 than an Amiga 1200.

I really thought that the Amiga 1200 and Amiga 4000 are the same in everything.

[Karlos]

I 100% agree with that.

Even at full CPU use, my 25MHz 040 on the BlizzardPPC is comfortably warm to the touch. My slightly OC 28MHz Apollo 040 is no warmer.

040 boards have a bad reputation, but as has been said, if you have an ample power supply they tend to work fine.

My oldest 040 board is a bit wrecked but that was mechanical rather than thermal

[matt3k]

I use a program called Rivo or something that even on a 68030 it is able to play the movie with sound and the picture is so slow though but it have a great potential of running the movie on 15 fps on a 68060 which is great experience for me.

I am going to get the Blizzard 1260 and I am going to enjoy the Amiga 1200 to the maximum.

I did not realize however that the Amiga 1200 is extremely different than the A4000, I did not know that the Amiga 4000 AGA is faster than the Amiga 1200 AGA's that I will be able to watch movies and do everything better on an Amiga 4000 than an Amiga 1200.

I really thought that the Amiga 1200 and Amiga 4000 are the same in everything.

Sounds like your really going to enjoy the 1260 for your experience.  That is great, push the 1200 to the max and enjoy!

The buses and cpu slots for the 3000 and 4000, perform better and open the door for more powerful options...  But, if you enjoy your 1200 who care :-)...

Viva Amiga!

[Ancalimon]

On my cyberstorm PPC 060/66mhz 604e/233mhz with mediator and radeon i can almost watch a divx with sound,its like a fast slideshow though.

On a 1200 without a graphics card,you can forget it.The 1200 has many bottlenecks that slow it down compared to the typical A3000/A4000.

Mech

If you had a Delfina to decode the audio and you used the CyberstormPPC's scsi interface, you would have been able to watch lower resolution divx movies without any frame skipping.

I used to play divxs using the beta FroggerNG 2.08 WOS version.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Sounds like your really going to enjoy the 1260 for your experience.  That is great, push the 1200 to the max and enjoy!

The buses and cpu slots for the 3000 and 4000, perform better and open the door for more powerful options...  But, if you enjoy your 1200 who care :-)...

Viva Amiga!

Thank you so much! I really do love my Amiga 1200 and I enjoy her a lot and I find her a toy to play with in every regard of way! It is really a fun computer! Thanks

I can hardly to install the USB SUB into the A1200...so I can open doors for more devices, printers, storage, etc. It should be fun, but I am waiting patiently for my new motherboard to arrive

[Karlos]

Well, an 060 will certainly give you the best performance, but expect to pay handsomely for it

[dougal]

I use a program called Rivo or something that even on a 68030 it is able to play the movie with sound and the picture is so slow though but it have a great potential of running the movie on 15 fps on a 68060 which is great experience for me.

I am going to get the Blizzard 1260 and I am going to enjoy the Amiga 1200 to the maximum.

I did not realize however that the Amiga 1200 is extremely different than the A4000, I did not know that the Amiga 4000 AGA is faster than the Amiga 1200 AGA's that I will be able to watch movies and do everything better on an Amiga 4000 than an Amiga 1200.

I really thought that the Amiga 1200 and Amiga 4000 are the same in everything.

AGA is slow regardless of it being a 1200 or a 4000. The advantage of a 'big box' Amiga such as the 2000/3000/4000 is that they can accept Zorro RTG graphics cards like the the Picasso IV. These graphic cards make all the difference.

When i had my A4000T which had a MKII Cyberstorm 68060 @ 50 Mhz i thought it was pretty fast until i bought a Picasso IV graphics card. Everything was sooo much faster, browsing the web, loading jpegs etc and looked a hell of a lot nicer too because it supported high resolutions (think 1024x768 and higher) with no flicker and true 24 bit color (16 million colors on screen at once) as opposed to AGA which only supports 256 colors and with any resolution higher than 640x256 @ 256 colors AGA slows things down and eats at your chipmem. Even with an '060.

[mechy]

If you had a Delfina to decode the audio and you used the CyberstormPPC's scsi interface, you would have been able to watch lower resolution divx movies without any frame skipping.

I used to play divxs using the beta FroggerNG 2.08 WOS version.

thanks for the info,i will look into that! I use fast cf's via acard adapters on the UWscsi,which works quite fast so i am set in that respect.Its definately not a issue with moving data,just seemed to be lack of cpu.

Mech