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Re: NTSC/PAL combo A500 -- How did they do it?
« Reply #14 from previous page: October 18, 2011, 08:17:37 PM »
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A2024 works just fine on a PAL Amiga, no matter wether running 50 or 60 Hz

A PAL 2024 works fine on a PAL Amiga.
A friend of mine had an early A1k that had been converted from NTSC to PAL (Agnus switch) and had been used for years. Then he bought a 2024 and that wouldn't work (strange video artifacts). I swapped the oscillator as well and that did the trick. ;)
50 or 60 Hz doesn't matter with the 2024 but the pixel clock does matter.
 

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Re: NTSC/PAL combo A500 -- How did they do it?
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2011, 09:10:14 PM »
@Zac67

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When you replaced the NTSC-Agnus with a PAL one, you really done nothing different than switching an ECS-Agnus between PAL&NTSC.

Changing the oscillator made that Amiga a "pure" PAL one (including pixelclock).

My 2024 worked both with Agnus set to PAL and NTSC (with a PAL-pixelcock I assume). The timing difference between NTSC and PAL is so minimal that I would suspect something different.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
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Re: NTSC/PAL combo A500 -- How did they do it?
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2011, 09:15:14 PM »
Well that kind of confirms what I suspected. The computer is equipped with one crystall oscillator. And using an alternate system is done by using an PLL. Which works in most cases, and not in some.

I guess there's no Amiga system with crystalls for both PAL and NTSC?
 

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Re: NTSC/PAL combo A500 -- How did they do it?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2011, 10:17:31 PM »
The Amber card seems to use a PLL, but I guess the 2024 uses an quartz oscillator that needs to match the Amiga's, otherwise you won't get a sync. (One day I'll take this thing apart, can't find the schematics anywhere.)
I've even tried the 2024 on my 500 running on a 32(!) MHz chip clock, but it wouldn't work at all (my 15 kHz color monitor was whining pretty badly so it stopped that experiment).

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You don't need to match the oscillator frequency exactly. 99% works with the 'wrong' oscillator. I've you want it perfect you can easily build a switchable oscillator mod.