Commodore Phoenix questions

[persia]

All these comments about a product that doesn't exist, drawn by an unknown artist who likely doesn't know his work is being used, produced by a furniture company reusing the Commodore brand.  Yawn.

We all know if Commodore had survived they wouldn't be making computers in a keyboard (aka screenless laptops).  They did that a decade an a half ago because it was cheaper to construct.  Now it's more expensive.   Had Commodore survived they'd have switched to laptops and would be coming out with Android tablets....

[AmigaEd]

I don't know anything about "Commodore USA" or the guy running the show there and quite frankly all of the pissing and moaning about intellectual property isn't going to amount to anything other than to further demonstrate just how fractured the Amiga population is.

Heck, in the very earliest days of the Amiga's history there was one company who felt that Amiga was ripping off there their I.P. and re-branding it. Anyone remember that incident? In the end none of it made a crap pile worth of difference.

Lets face it, there are lots of great examples of really straight up companies in the Commodore / Amiga legacy.

i.e. Commodore, Merlancia, Gateway, Amiga inc., need I go on...

In the end it's all about making money or satisfying a passion, in many cases at someone else's expense. Who cares if this guy makes a few nickels selling Commodore branded stuff. Even if it was a "real" Commodore product, most of us wouldn't buy anyway cause we're cheap bastards and stuck in a time warp anyway.

Regards,
AmigaEd

[zipper]

How the heck do you know it was shamelessly stolen? Are you the original artist? Do you know this person?

No idea about it, seems to be @ Marko Hirv, Estonia (possibly Tallinn).

[Amiga_Nut]

So maybe we should skip anybody that wants to sell retro-styled computer stuff and just stick stickers on our Dells?

Finally someone gets it, autoboot AROS and stick Amiga/Commodore logos all over your PC indeed

It's one thing to say it is hankering after the form factor of old computers (the black one looks a lot more like a Memotech MTX500 actually than any Commodore machine)...and another to specifically say it is a new Commodore computer for C64/Amiga fans and putting C= stickers on it when it has nothing technically to do with Commodore IP holders. For my money though all his stuff looks crap compared to the simple elegant beauty of a C64C (the wedge shaped one) but each to their own and how people spend their money is none of my business I guess

[skurk]

No idea about it, seems to be @ Marko Hirv, Estonia (possibly Tallinn).

Yup.  From aminet subdir pix/trace:



From commodoreusa.net:

[psxphill]

How the heck do you know it was shamelessly stolen? Are you the original artist? Do you know this person? You seem to be jumping to conclusions because you don't like this product.

Unless you're the artist, then why would anyone care anyway? If you are then the picture has been sitting doing nothing for years & this is probably the only chance of it ever making any money for you. Complaining now is unlikely to have any positive effect (because CUSA probably has no money).
 
Successful businesses run as close to breaking the law as they can. It's pretty much impossible to make a load of money legally. Commodore of old knew that.
 
If the fantasy case actually gets produced then it does look quite cool, not sure that I'd buy a machine for the prices he wants to sell though. However I doubt he could ever afford to create the molds in the first place, but if he does then when he runs out of money someone could probably pick them up cheap.
 
Right now CUSA looks like some crazy kid with delusions of grandeur, but that is what you need for a startup these days.
 
Just go buy some popcorn, sit back and watch.
 
Posting on a forum is unlikely to make any difference anyway.

[mongo]

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=32205&forum=17&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

[Amiga_Nut]

Unless you're the artist, then why would anyone care anyway? If you are then the picture has been sitting doing nothing for years & this is probably the only chance of it ever making any money for you. Complaining now is unlikely to have any positive effect (because CUSA probably has no money).
 
Successful businesses run as close to breaking the law as they can. It's pretty much impossible to make a load of money legally. Commodore of old knew that.
 
If the fantasy case actually gets produced then it does look quite cool, not sure that I'd buy a machine for the prices he wants to sell though. However I doubt he could ever afford to create the molds in the first place, but if he does then when he runs out of money someone could probably pick them up cheap.
 
Right now CUSA looks like some crazy kid with delusions of grandeur, but that is what you need for a startup these days.
 
Just go buy some popcorn, sit back and watch.
 
Posting on a forum is unlikely to make any difference anyway.

1. That particular design is copyright to the person who spent days modelling it.

2. It clearly shows there is no such machine like that in development, just lies to try and get some kudos going.

3. Removing information about the creator from the image with some ham-fisted cropping says it all really.

I feel sorry for anyone stupid enough to buy anything from this guy, if you really want these machines then buy them direct from the original makers at half the price, print out your own bloody C= stickers and be done with it lol

[mdv2000]

Came across this article... read the last paragraph... priceless!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/25/commodore_name_bounces_again/

[odin]

Right now CUSA looks like some crazy kid with delusions of grandeur, but that is what you need for a startup these days.

Sound like someone familiar? I just hope this Comp USA thing isn't going to screw anyone over like Merlancia did. :|

[tone007]

Until the recent idea of fabricating custom cases, it was all fairly easy to accomplish stuff, wouldn't even have to have anything in stock. Get an order from a customer, order a system from your supplier, slap a sticker on it and send it to the purchaser.  Anybody with a few hundred bucks to start with could get away with that.

I'd hope it'd take more than a graphic snatched off of the internet to start selling an "original" system, hard to believe people would be excited enough to preorder a CyberNet/Eee/etc keyboard PC with a custom case.

[the_leander]

Unless you're the artist, then why would anyone care anyway?

Because apart from anything else, it shows a complete lack of scruples. As a consumer, I go out of my way to avoid people who blatantly flout the law to sell their wares.

I know, strange, huh?
 

It's pretty much impossible to make a load of money legally.

What utter rot. Then again I suppose if you're giving C= as the example I could almost understand where you're coming from.

C= were completely and utterly incompetent on every level. They couldn't have sold water to people dying of thirst in a desert.
 

Right now CUSA looks like some crazy kid with delusions of grandeur, but that is what you need for a startup these days.

No, what startups need is well thought out business models with decent products that fulfil a need within a given market, or even create their own.

Delusions of grandeur? See Merlancia.