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Offline Franko

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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #74 from previous page: January 07, 2011, 06:54:42 PM »
Quote from: johnklos;604171
NetBSD is a free Unix operating system from Berkeley (the school). It's based off of 4.4BSD and its lineage goes back to the beginning of Unix in the 1970s:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd

I think RadosÅaw just needs some pointers about general setup of the FastATA and about interrupt handling versus polling, et cetera. Please take a look at the link and if you have some ideas, just shoot an email off to port-amiga@netbsd.org.

Thanks!

Sorry... I missed your post due to the slight distraction that was going on here...

I've read the link you posted thanks, but to be honest I know absolutely nothing about unix and only code in 68K and how to write stuff for the Amiga, C64 & Vic20 and how their hardware works... :)

I don't think anything I know about the FastATA driver or hardware would be of any use to someone writing Unix... Sorry... :)
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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2011, 03:52:48 AM »
Franko keeps shouting BANG, BANG , BANG BANG, because hes a gangsta.
I am a negative, rude, prick.  


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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2011, 06:08:54 AM »
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Incorrect, it does not depend on the sector size. Amiga can only address 2TB with trackdisk64 and NSD.


Hi,

PC's today can't even use 3TB HD's to boot with, from what I heard, you have to have a two drive system, one HD to install windows on (doesn't matter what size, just as long as it will fit all of windows on it) and then the 3TB drive formatted for a user disk. From what I understand to go to 3 TB you would need a 128 bit computer.


smerf (probably wrong on this, it is just something I heard at work)

Heck I am having trouble using a 60 gig hard drive on my Amiga. I don't think there is enough Amiga programs to fill it and if there is then they must have made some pretty huge Amiga programs later on.

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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2011, 06:29:17 AM »
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Well you just proved you have absolutely no taste at all and now i"m sure you are full of sh8t and dont have what you say. Its quite obvious. I'm also taking it that you are very young and inexperienced in the real world.  There are so many posers and talkers like you in the amiga community its funny. Luckily there are really cool,interesting and talented people as well.

As far as your programming goes i'd love to see any proof of anything.. You of course wont produce that becuase you are a tosser and full of crap.


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@magnetic,

Listen Pal,

Franko, helped me with a lot of stuff here lately, and the only thing full of sh8t is you, because you don't know what you are talking about. I was having trouble with trying to load OS4 on my computer, and thanks to Franko it now works. He sent me a boot disk that really helped and straightened out my OS4.

The only thing wrong with Franko, is that he is to nice and courteous to some idiots like you. Franko has helped me out many times and if you could figure out how to get on his web site you would find out that he has a very nice site.

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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2011, 09:21:58 AM »
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PC's today can't even use 3TB HD's to boot with. From what I understand to go to 3 TB you would need a 128 bit computer.
Utter rubbish :)

My boot disk is a 3TB, single partition and it's working fine under Windows7 x64 and I've had RAID arrays before now much bigger than 3TB as boot drives.

BUT my motherboard has UEFI and not BIOS
 

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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2011, 11:37:09 AM »
The number of misunderstandings seems mindboogling..

Onle men in green can use above 640 kB! :P
 

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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2011, 11:51:02 AM »
I wouldn't boot with a big slow 3TB sata, no matter if it's in RAID or not.
 
SSD in RAID is another thing, but the transfer rate of a good SSD will always be twice as much as a 3TB sata, even if they make it go 10K rpm.
 
On the Amiga side, why would you mount a 2TB drive into any Amiga ?
If you manage to get a 40GB ide drive full, I'd like to see with what, and only Amiga programs, games and tools.
No mp3's, video files or photos, that doesn't count.
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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2011, 02:46:51 PM »
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On the Amiga side, why would you mount a 2TB drive into any Amiga ?
If you manage to get a 40GB ide drive full, I'd like to see with what, and only Amiga programs, games and tools.
No mp3's, video files or photos, that doesn't count.


I have my 80+20GB drives full on A1200. Around 30GB is mp3, but the rest is Amiga stuff. And if you won't count music, videos etc on PC, it wouldn't need that big HD's either...
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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2011, 04:34:11 PM »
I dug out my A1200 last night and I forgot that I did get one partition working above 4 gig on it, but I was still unable to use more than about 12 gig on a 20 gig drive. I couldn't make that last partition any larger, and I couldn't add any partitions after the last one. But I have yet to try manually entering partition information.

It's my A2000 with 50 gig SCSI drive that really frustrates me. I can't get it to use more than 4 gig in any way shape or form. But again, I have yet to try manually entering partition information.
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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2011, 08:41:00 PM »
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From what I understand to go to 3 TB you would need a 128 bit computer.

I think it was already covered in this thread, but modern disks are accessed using sectors and 48-bit logical block addressing (LBA). Most disks use 512 byte sectors, and the master boot record (MBR) partitioning scheme stores partition information using 32-bit values:

(2^32)-1 * 512 = 2,199,023,255,040 = ~2 TiB

That's where the recent 2 TiB boundary was established. (Note that disks are sold using base 10 values, and 2 TB < 2 TiB, which is why 2 TB drives work just fine.) Newer schemes use larger sector values, e.g. 64-bit LBA and GUID partition tables (GPT) use 64-bit values:

(2^64)-1 * 512 = 144,115,188,075,855,360 = ~8 ZiB

That's a lot of storage, but it doesn't solve the problem for legacy systems. (And we'll hit that new limit faster than anyone thinks we will, I'm sure.) 512 byte sectors have never been a universal standard, but most hard disks use them. Newer disks use 4096 byte sectors* allowing for much larger drives in a 32-bit space:

(2^32)-1 * 4096 = 17,592,186,040,320 = ~16 TiB

It's already possible to reach that limit using current drives and controllers, e.g. a 6 x 3 TiB array.

The maximum number of bytes you can access in e.g. a file on most modern systems is

(2^64)-1 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 = ~16 EiB

Again, that's a big value, but the mainstream will reach that limit soon. Many fields are already struggling with it, particularly finance and the physical sciences.

File systems have different limitations as they're based on cluster sizes, and clusters are multiples of sectors.

* Most still emulate 512 byte sectors to support legacy systems.

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(probably wrong on this, it is just something I heard at work)

Now you can go back to work and school your coworkers. ;-)

EDIT: With respect to AmigaOS, I think we should dump RDB and move to GPT. As far as I know, while RDB and MBR can live together, RDB and GPT cannot.
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Re: Max hard drive size?
« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2011, 09:04:02 PM »
@KatManDEW

maybe you need new ROM on that SCSI card. but, anyway, you should try PFS3ds first. I never had problems with it and large HDDs (IDE or SCSI).
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