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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #89 from previous page: January 15, 2010, 06:28:39 AM »
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Also sharing goes only one way, AROS puts stuff in the public domain whilst the others don't, so everyone benefits from AROS development but only the elites benefit from OS 4.1 development....


I've  thought that thought too. But I've been afraid to tell it out loud.
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2010, 01:20:40 PM »
I've downloaded and used aros quite a few times over the years, and I think its really getting to a very useable state. what it needs is more apps and games.
I'm going to be taking some programming in college we'll see what I can do then.
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #91 on: January 15, 2010, 04:35:41 PM »
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AROS looks interesting.  Too bad I don't know how to code or I would help out.  Well, if you need anything coded in BASIC I might be able to help ya.  :roflmao:

And why not!? we have at least two basic interpreters (with the SDL one being so nice with graphics and so): you may loose some time to test it and to see if it's actually working as expected.

People simply can't believe how valuable their work can be, even if they don't know anything about coding. Just look at me: C and old aramaic are the same for me, but I just managed to build the leading AROS distribution. Not too bad for a not-programmer, isn't it? ;-)
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2010, 04:44:18 PM »
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If you talk about wasting time on a certain OS then if you look at it rationally only Linux is the good choice. No matter which of the three you choose, they are always going to lag behind the most current developments in hardware.

"Wasting time" is a meaningless expression, when you "loose" time coding something that someone else will use (or will spend time on, using it): at least, it's no more wasting time than playing a soccer match with friends, or listening to music, or watching a movie. Once time has gone, has gone. The difference is that playing, listening or watching, you haven't done anything useful for anyone else.

On the other hand, I don't use MacOS X anymore: so, isn't all the time spent on MacOS X from others, just "wasted" as well? Are we entitled to say "you're working on something I don't/won't use: you're wasting your time"? I'll probably never use MorphOS: not 'cos I don't like it (I actually like it), but 'cos I won't get any hardware to run it on and I don't see any motivation to spend money to use it... Is any development on MOS a waste of time? I can go on forever.

There are people who don't care about Linux or Windows or just AmigaOS: they prefer to develop on/for AROS... is that so bad? ;-)
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #93 on: January 15, 2010, 04:50:55 PM »
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It makes your head spin around wondering what happened to the good old Amiga community but I have read comments from die-hard OS4.1 fanatics that AROS is a threat to the "real Amiga" (AmigaOS4.x). They mean AROS just splits up the community, the community should be running AmigaOS4.x because that is the true AmigaOS of the Amiga world, ie, AmigaOS4.x is the real Amiga. Such OS as AROS and MorphOS do more damage to the Amiga world than good according to some opinions I have witnessed on Amiga message boards.

Yes... yes... Every town has their own. :rolleyes:
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2010, 05:32:44 PM »
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And why not!? we have at least two basic interpreters (with the SDL one being so nice with graphics and so): you may loose some time to test it and to see if it's actually working as expected.

People simply can't believe how valuable their work can be, even if they don't know anything about coding. Just look at me: C and old aramaic are the same for me, but I just managed to build the leading AROS distribution. Not too bad for a not-programmer, isn't it? ;-)


Basic interpreters?  which?

But we need compilers...
 

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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #95 on: January 21, 2010, 07:12:07 PM »
>Basic interpreters? which?

>But we need compilers...

if you want a modern rapid develop Basic, you can use amiblitz.
sure its only 68k, but in AROS with the janus UAE you dont see if 68k or not.

maybe its a little slower as native, but X86 are so powerfull and i always see 68k Software in JIT UAE perform better as java or .net Software.

Amiblitz is also able to do what only in C can do, write a realtime Music studio that is fast enough on X86 at 1 ghz even if you use lots effects

http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home

if you think 68k is dead end, 68k as codegenerator is currently used in simular way as LLVM do.

It cost lots work to support all CPU native, LLVM is the way to go.But no AOS have a LLVM layer.only what all AOS system have is a 68k Emu and JIT so Amiblitz use instead of LLVM virtual CPU the good old 68k that all amiga Systems can use.

http://llvm.org/
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #96 on: January 21, 2010, 07:21:10 PM »
"only the elites benefit from OS 4.1 development...."

Of course.

(says an "elite OS4.1 owner").

(sorry, coudn't resist... ;-) )

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BTW I think Bernd points to a interesting fact - MorphOS/AOS4.x and AROS in a future form have (or will have) a decent 68k JIT emulation. Most 68k applications (NOT games) run here on my OS4.1 system in a decent and usable speed - and the underlying hardwere is/will be faster every year. So the 68k emulation is indeed a common ground...
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #97 on: January 21, 2010, 07:24:23 PM »
Does aros run octamed soundstudio?

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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #98 on: January 21, 2010, 07:51:07 PM »
Protrekkr, hively tracker and milky tracker is there.
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #99 on: January 21, 2010, 09:06:11 PM »
Lol
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #100 on: January 21, 2010, 09:40:02 PM »
Hively tracker, milky tracker and protrekkr is there. That is a nice pick of trackers to play around with.
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #101 on: January 22, 2010, 12:07:24 AM »
I just realized, making amigaOS open source means one of two things for AROS:

Halt of development due to the lack of need for it

OR
Incorporation of the code into the project, making AROS the official open source amigaOS
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Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #102 on: January 22, 2010, 01:24:02 AM »
I'd *like* to see it go OS to see it get ported directly to X86 (yeah, yeah, AROS, yadda yadda) but that ain't gonna happen.  Might as well wish for the moon.
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