PPC emulation in WinUAE - could this help?

[Golem!dk]

Well... luckily WinUAE comes with source, so anyone is free to add PPC (BPPC/CSPPC if it is going to work with anything) emulation.

[kolla]

DREAM MODE ON
Not only OS4, but there are also nice OS 3.x WarpOS apps and games (Wipeout 2097, an a DVD videoplayer i cant remember, and a couple of cool emulators).

My mind boggles... why do you want to run Wipeout 2097 in an emulator when you can simply run the windows version of that game?! I cant think of any game for Amiga/PPC that wasnt a port anyways. And running emulators inside an emulator instead of directly ... what a waste!

Of course the possibility of running OS4 is not a bad idea, so that we can finally get rid of the dongle it requires to work (SAM).

You still need the dongle to run OS4.1, only OS4.0 runs on PowerUp, and  IIRC you cannot even run OS4.0 on SAM in the first place.

MorphOS could also be supported.
DREAM MODE OFF

Yeah, old MorphOS 1.4 was so great, we much rather want that than running current MorphOS on Qemu - definetly! :rolleyes:

[Gulliver]

Why?
Just for the fun of it!
If not for what else do you use an Amiga emulator?
As you clearly said there are lots of Windows/Linux/Mac tools and games 1000% percent better than Amiga, so if you are into Amiga emulation, it is just for enjoyment, nostalgia or something along the lines

[Hell Labs]

My mind boggles... why do you want to run Wipeout 2097 in an emulator when you can simply run the windows version of that game?! I cant think of any game for Amiga/PPC that wasnt a port anyways. And running emulators inside an emulator instead of directly ... what a waste!



You still need the dongle to run OS4.1, only OS4.0 runs on PowerUp, and  IIRC you cannot even run OS4.0 on SAM in the first place.



Yeah, old MorphOS 1.4 was so great, we much rather want that than running current MorphOS on Qemu - definetly! :rolleyes:

The amigaOS port of wipeout had the best graphics. And it makes more sense to emulate morphos 1.4 because of the extra speed, and COST. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't shell out for a keyfile unless I was using it CONSTANTLY. osx is what, £25? Besides which, why emulate amigaos at all? it's not like you need to do it. what a waste.

WHY? because we can.

[Karlos]

Battery powered clock emulation anyone? I don't think anyone could ever conceivably need that, but it's there anyway. PPC emu? nah we can't add that in case people actually use it.

I think you'll find the RTC is already emulated in UAE for a very, very long time

Besides, it is useful. I can't imagine using a machine these days that can't remember the date and time.

[Linde]

I wish it was a matter of time! Tony Wilen, the current WinUAE developer, has expressed several times he wont add PPC support. Nowadays he only seems interested in making WinUAE bloated by adding a zillion of obscure features normal users wont use. It is a pitty, he is really a very good developer!

Yeah, and this is a great way to thank him for actively developing one of the most extensive and advanced computer emulators there are. The "zillion of obscure features" are there because in the end they are what makes emulation accurate.

Oh well, the thrill of playing 320x200 Quake in 30 fps (or, as someone else suggested, running some shitty emulators or wipeout) must surely be worth the effort of totally changing the scope of the project and adding PPC emulation.

[Hell Labs]

I think you'll find the RTC is already emulated in UAE for a very, very long time

Besides, it is useful. I can't imagine using a machine these days that can't remember the date and time.

but the battery backed clock option is pointless, WinUAE sets the amiga time from the PC side anyway. Why bother having a menu option to turn it on and off?

[unusedunused]

Well... luckily WinUAE comes with source, so anyone is free to add PPC (BPPC/CSPPC if it is going to work with anything) emulation.

OS4 for cybppc is very outdate and seem not update anymore.So have running OS4 on winuae make absolute no sense.

If somebody want run MOS, the best way is use sheepshaver, emulate a Mac mini and install MOS.
then maybe MOS can use by more users on cheap Hardware and i can test myself how fast OWB on MOS work ;-)

But whats the problem to run MOS on sheepshaver currently.I dont know anything about MAC.

[Crom00]

A good reason is that I can walk into Microcenter here in the sates. Walk out with a $950 Quad Core Intel PC...

and with that same $950 + AmigaOs$4 and WINUAEPPC I support OS4 but purchasing OS4 and running it on acutal hardware instead of a SAM, or CVPPC card. Funny thing it'll probably run faster than the sam!

[Golem!dk]

Funny thing it'll probably run faster than the sam!

Or not at all.

[kolla]

Why?
Just for the fun of it!

I very much doubt that adding PowerUp emulation can be sorted under "fun".
We talk here about rather obscure pieces of hardware that AFAIK aren't very well documented, and with heaploads of corner case issues.

As you clearly said there are lots of Windows/Linux/Mac tools and games 1000% percent better than Amiga, so if you are into Amiga emulation, it is just for enjoyment, nostalgia or something along the lines

And where does PowerUp fit in here? I bought a CSPPC in 1997 for way too much money, and a CVPPC quite soon after, yes there were a few games and apps, but I dont think any of them justifies the work. My PPC was quite clearly mostly used to accelerate media decoding, on UAE this is not a problem anyhow.

If you really think it makes sense, then go ahead and do it yourself.

[kolla]

A good reason is that I can walk into Microcenter here in the sates. Walk out with a $950 Quad Core Intel PC...

and with that same $950 + AmigaOs$4 and WINUAEPPC I support OS4 but purchasing OS4 and running it on acutal hardware instead of a SAM, or CVPPC card. Funny thing it'll probably run faster than the sam!

"WINUAEPPC" would _only_ be able to run OS 4.0 and not 4.1+, and SAM440 does only run OS4.1+ and _not_ 4.0, so your statement is wrong regardless, as these systems run two different OSes. AFAIK.

[Hell Labs]

If somebody want run MOS, the best way is use sheepshaver, emulate a Mac mini and install MOS.
then maybe MOS can use by more users on cheap Hardware and i can test myself how fast OWB on MOS work ;-)

But whats the problem to run MOS on sheepshaver currently.I dont know anything about MAC.

If that were possible people would do it. Sheepshaver emulates old world rom (older than the first iMac) macs with g3 processors and no graphics hardware at all (made possible by the fact mac os was designed originally just to use spare cpu cycles for graphics processing). The mac mini, and in fact everything apple made after 1998 is pretty much just a PC with open firmware to replace bios and a PPC wedged in. the sheepshaver style macs are very different.

[Gulliver]

No one can deny the tremendous work Toni Wilen has done on WinUAE. It is actually one of the best emulators on any platform thanks to him. These posts are not about being disgracefull, but simply telling we want some specific features.
The thing is simple: some of us wish we could run WarpOS/PowerUp/OS4 or whatever apps, games and demos. For too many of you, this seems terrible, for others it would simply be a cool feature.
On the other hand, the fun concept in an emulator is something subjective. If you dont find it cool, you should be open minded and think others might believe the contrary.

For example, Amithlon has WarpOS emulation, and that, is one of the features despite its age that still make it a great emulation enviroment. So please dont tell me that it cannot be achieved, it is a matter of will and hard work.

Dont be so viral about it!

[Golem!dk]

For example, Amithlon has WarpOS emulation

No it doesn't.

[Gulliver]

Ups my mistake